Toilets again - desire for privacy is 'transphobic' apparently

I totally think it is possible. I used to work in the reception area of the women's residence at my university. The young women in their first year were so, so, naive, especially early on in the year. They would quite happily head off to the room or off campus home of some young man they had just met, or out on the town where they didn't know their way around, without telling anyone where they were going or when they expected to return.

I am not an anxious person and am accept that life is full of risks - I used to walk home in the dodgy part of town at night alone. But it never even seemed to occur to these girls that they didn't know these people, didn't know what they were like, that maybe getting very inebriated in a situation like that wasn't wise. It wasn't a chosen risk, it was complete lack of awareness.

Why on earth would more privacy be a problem?

Unless a floor to ceiling door/petition would turn it into more of an individual contained unit and ergo you could potentially forget what rest room you were in and subsequently get no validation ?

Wouldnt be because you cant film through or under and therefore makes it pointless peeing altogether?

The man who stuck his head under my cubicle door at a gender neutral ‘changing village’ didn’t give appear to be doing so in order to ask my feelings about transpeople...

Why on earth would anyone complain about more privacy?

Power and control.

Some wokeybloke telling us that men perve on women and girls mostly out of curiosity and if women were a bit more inclined to undress in unisex spaces the perving level would reduce.

I remember him. A Man Who Had Been Abroad.

And we're back to incels. So many roads lead back to incels.

Menuplant I remember as I was on that thread. Some wokeybloke telling us that men perve on women and girls mostly out of curiosity and if women were a bit more inclined to undress in unisex spaces the perving level would reduce.

Because obvs the availability to view women’s bodies in every newspaper, magazine, advertisement, tv show, film and 99% of the vast global www offer isn’t quite enough. Women must be made more available to the poor men.

When I was younger films like porkies and TV like Benny Hill made it obvious strandard and normal that men would try to spy on women given half a chance.

At least Benny Hill was honest. Compared to the gaslighting we're seeing nowadays, Benny Hill is beginning to look like a valid gender critical assessment of the current problem.

'Those UCLA students are perhaps so sheltered that they're not aware of the behaviour of predatory men'

This is what I don't get. I had a middle class upbringing and was aware of what men were like pretty much as soon as puberty was well underway. Me and my friends got stuff shouted at us, followed. One had a man try to get her on a side street. One had a bus driver so to see her tits when she was 13. We were variously wanked at. When I was younger films like porkies and TV like Benny Hill made it obvious strandard and normal that men would try to spy on women given half a chance.

I don't see how it's possible that they don't know what men can be like. I think it's cognitive dissonance, surely. You get women bemoaning rape, sexual assault, male violence then in the same breath saying twaw and any man who says I'm a woman should be in with the women in prisons, secure hosps, etc etc

The only person in my entire extended family who isn't gender critical is my privately educated DN currently studying at Oxbridge

I work in a fairly prestigious university and was chatting about this with a GC academic at the post-1992 down the road. Transactivism has yet to rear its head at her university, whereas it's already swept through and eradicated every single-sex space at my workplace.

Well, if these UCLA students are so unconcerned about privacy, then they can have half a dozen buckets in the car park marked Gender Neutral. They can lead by example.

They also don't have to stay there long. It's not going to be their problem long-term so they can virtue-signal about it.

Those UCLA students are perhaps so sheltered that they're not aware of the behaviour of predatory men in mixed sex facilities. They probably don't understand that it doesn't matter how those men identify as transition doesn't change their male pattern offending.

The only person in my entire extended family who isn't gender critical is my privately educated DN currently studying at Oxbridge. My DB tears his hair out. Says if a TW plays for the other side in any of her team sports she'll know all about it.

Yes this is not about safety at all it's about putting women girls on the back foot, removing our comfort.

'US toilets often have a massive gap between the door and the frame'

I have heard this, I wonder why it is.

No wonder the toilet thing is such a hot topic if you can see straight into them.

Mind you there was a plan the other day on here for new toilets in some civil service type building. Mixed sex, the height of the cubicles meant the men standing next to them at the urinal could see straight over the top :/

The push for mixed sex toilets that has come out of this whole thing suggests to me that this issue has absolutely fuck all to do with poor vulnerable transwomen being worried about being beaten up in the loo and everything to do with encroaching on women's space and privacy.

Dear Males,

Please stop the raping, murdering, assaulting, harassing, bias, greed, coercive and financial control etc. Please recognise the humanity of women and the vulnerability of children. Give me a shout when you're done and I'd be delighted to attend your fascinating lecture on how we can queer society.

Yours not especially hopefully

Woman

US toilets often have a massive gap between the door and the frame. I've often had accidental embarrassing eye contacts with someone on the loo as I check the lock status.
I bet staff were happy to have an excuse to get properly fitted doors.
I really, really feel for the students and staff caught up in this woke fuckwittery.

Try telling that to girls and women in the UK who run the gauntlet of pervy weirdos.

Mixed sex communal changing was where overwhelming proportion of sex offences Inc voyeurism happened ieisure facilities.

Privacy is a social construct? Fuck off...

Someone was arguing the other day somewhere that if only women would be more relaxed about taking their clothes off in front of men, men wouldn't be so pervy at us and assault us and so on. Presumably the same goes for kids.

‘Social construct’ isn’t an argument against something. The law is a social construct. Economics are a social construct. The English language is a social construct.

Everything that sets us apart from the other animals is a social construct. Being true only by virtue of us agreeing it is true does not invalidate it.

Being able to make something true by consensus (that a day is composed of 24 ‘hours’; that money can be exchanged for goods and services; that contracts should be honoured and laws should not be broken; that we are entitled to private as well as public lives) constitutes civilisation.

Also if males who identify as female can't go into the men's toilets because of the horrendous abuse and rape threats they'll face (isn't that one of the things they usually say?), then surely they wouldn't want to be exposed to those men here either?

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For the sad fuckers

The symbol would be wearing a dunce's hat.

I think we need a third set of toilets; not for transfolk (who should be in the toilets appropriate for their sex), but for total fuckwits like this.

I wonder what the symbol on that door would look like?

Are they taking the piss?
How fucking fragile do you have to be to find transphobia in the length of a cubicle wall?