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Jonathan Yaniv

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invinoveritaserum · 29/05/2019 09:48

Having familiarised myself with this person, how in the name of holy fuck has he not been arrested? He seems to be laughing at people while hiding in plain sight. So very, very disturbing.

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Upzadaizy · 04/06/2019 09:59

I would have thought that it's perfectly reasonable to refuse to answer questions - from a colleague or client - about one's sex life. "I don't think this topic is appropriate in the workplace." is a polite answer to those questions.

And that one can also refuse to give make-up tips - again, quite reasonable. "I'm not really interested in make up." is a polite answer to those questions.

But I do understand your reluctance to challenge, and justified fear of consequences. Apart from the fact that we women are socialised to be kind & polite (oh the burden of "nice"), one can't help feeling sorry for this sort of person. There's clearly some kind of personality issue or imbalance going on.

invinoveritaserum · 04/06/2019 09:39

This is probably outing, but there is a person who comes into my work, identifies as female, name changed to a porn star style name, insisting on being referred to as she. They dress in a mankini à la Borat, a tutu, ripped fishnets, heels and a boob tube. The full makeup is offset by a fetching full beard. They have made sexually inappropriate comments to female staff, asking for makeup tips, and questioning them about their sex lives. Managers have told us that we have to treat them as a woman and answer their questions where appropriate. This is despite the fact that they always approach women, never men, and make us feel extremely uncomfortable.
I have recently refused to toe the line on this - I fully expect to be disciplined at some point.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 04/06/2019 09:13

God I remember an MD (female) sending her (female) PA home to change when she has the audacity to wear trousers to work! Another (male) MD didn’t bother when his female staff turned up in short suits (is shorts and jacket).

Michelleoftheresistance · 04/06/2019 09:03

Agreed, Invino

In all the work places I've been in, a woman dressing unprofessionally and inappropriately (and in many areas in a way that could potentially appear offensive to colleagues and customers of some cultures and faiths) would be taken aside by their line manager and asked to observe a dress code.

Why do I think this would very likely be called transphobic if equally applied to a TW dressing inappropriately as in the case described above?

invinoveritaserum · 04/06/2019 08:47

Upz, in my opinion that person is making others an unwilling participant in their autogynephilia. I'm beginning to see it as a kind of sexual assault.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 02/06/2019 08:44

Because when it comes to it it they know that a woman is ‘them’ and not ‘us’. ‘We’ won’t forgive ‘them’ for not pledging complete allegiance. Interesting huh?

NotTerfNorCis · 02/06/2019 01:32

Dr Alicia Hendley has been demonised over the last few days. She turned gender critical after seeing how TRAs were reluctant to condemn JY. TRAs are condemning JY now, but they're refusing to see Hendley's point, which is that the JY case made her think critically about trans ideology for the first time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3556762-Feminist-Current-I-supported-Trans-ideology-until-I-couldnt-any-more

Ereshkigal · 01/06/2019 22:52

That this TW dresses in this way is a kind of "Fuck you" to all the other women in my field. Shades of masculine privilege ...

Very much sounds that way.

BitOfFun · 01/06/2019 20:17

Definitely, yes.

Upzadaizy · 01/06/2019 20:01

It's fascinating that Morgane Onger has repudiated this person.

I have to occasional professional contact & interaction with a transwoman over the last decade - since they started to transition. In the last 4-5 years they seem to have invested a lot of money/expensive hardware/whatever in enhancing their artificial breasts - to a pornstar style & size, and dresses to match - attending conferences in boob tube style tops and very short skirts, and very exaggerated drag queen style make up. They never really passed, but when they dressed less obviously, and more low-key, there was the possibility of blending without too much notice.

Several younger women whom I mentor have individually whispered - I mean, literally felt they've had to whisper and speak in a kind of coded shorthand, to the effect that they find this person's presence intimidating and their self-presentation borderline offensive in a professional situation - as actual women, my younger colleagues would never dream of dressing in that way because they KNOW that dressing in that way would be a significant impediment to their career - to being appointed or promoted.

That this TW dresses in this way is a kind of "Fuck you" to all the other women in my field. Shades of masculine privilege ...

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/06/2019 19:45

Sexy to small children in the library? Wowzer

OrchidInTheSun · 01/06/2019 18:59

This is what the Clapham Tranny has to say about himself:

"After I had fixed my mind, I discovered that the secret of radiant happiness is to live my fantasy on a daily basis. My fantasy is to be the sexiest woman alive, for all to see, since this is the ultimate object of desire."

And some people say that AGP isn't a thing Hmm

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 01/06/2019 18:44

I was at a social centre last week. One of the new attendees is a post-op (boob job at least) male to female trans person.

I was making small talk with another person I knew (slightly learning disabled, superficial chit chat) and every time the trans person commented, it was to make a sexual innuendo. It felt like that was how they performed being a woman. Very awkward.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 01/06/2019 18:19

Eccentric- unless you are a small child in the library and probably scared of them.

KittensinaBlender · 01/06/2019 18:08

The Clapham tranny is regarded as a harmless eccentric by many... usually those who haven’t had direct contact with him.

Men’s sexual kinks are to be protected as long as they tread the fine line between lawful and unlawful. Public decency only really seems to relate to women.

JustAnotherWoman · 01/06/2019 08:00

We'd need the police to apply the law on public decency on people like the Clapham tranny (their own description not mine MN) but that's not going to happen

KatvonHostileExtremist · 01/06/2019 07:32

What's the protocol for transvestites (which the Clapham Tranny) describes themselves as (screenshot from their website, where they also tell you how to avoid a cold) ?
Do we have to call them "she" ?

Thought this an interesting article, absolutely no fetish to see here:

www.sophiegreenphotography.com/blog/2014/5/25/portrait-jessi-west-norwood-london

OrchidInTheSun · 01/06/2019 06:25

I had a rather uncomfortable conversation with my children about the Clapham tranny and why we could see his bottom (he was wearing bikini bottoms but they were very small). I don't think there is anything positive about the normalisation of fetishes

BitOfFun · 01/06/2019 06:19

I've just seen this cartoon on twitter. Sums it up, I think.

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andyoldlabour · 31/05/2019 23:39

JustAnotherWoman

The Clapham pervert being allowed to walk around the streets like that in front of everyone is not acceptable.
I sound like an old prude, but that is my view.
Have we no standards anymore?

placemats · 31/05/2019 19:15

Muststopfaffing

I agree regarding the mental illness thing but autism is not a mental illness. I think everyone in the world knows that now. No more than being physically disabled is a mental illness.

This man is open with his predilections. The Canadian courts should not entertain them.

JustAnotherWoman · 31/05/2019 15:30

Kittens nightsky the Clapham person wtf sitting in the children's section of the library dressed like that Shock should ring all sorts of alarm bells

Gingernaut · 31/05/2019 14:13

Seriously looks like a horror film actor.

I was kicked off Twitter for 7 days for retweeting one of JY's posts.

andyoldlabour · 31/05/2019 14:03

KatvonHostileExtremist

Thank you so much for that link to the twitter feed, I haven't laughed so much in ages, particularly when JY turns up to make some comments.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 31/05/2019 13:07

Well if you invite the vampire in...