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Imperial College London study into womb transplant for transwomen

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bettybeans · 28/05/2019 23:16

I don't know if this has already been mentioned - I can't find it if it has - but wtf.
I have so many questions about and problems with this I don't even know where to begin.

Imperial College London study into womb transplant for transwomen
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Theredjellybean · 29/05/2019 09:10

As far as I can recall there has only been one successful live birth from a uterine transplant (female to female) so far and that was in Sweden.
It is something that is definitely happening but is very much in early stages, and this is for women who were born with uterine abnormalities or no uterus or have had their uterus removed for medical reasons.
Just like we give other organ transplants to say Cf sufferers

KatvonHostileExtremist · 29/05/2019 09:08

Ben britton (mentioned in the screen shot above) wants to "queer" science spaces. He downplays the sex imbalance in STEM and focuses on identity politics. Of cause he does.

I'll shut up now. Sorry about the derail. They just do my head in

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aprilviolets · 29/05/2019 09:08

a uterus implant which was rejected by the immune system, was what killed Lily Elbe, wasn't it? (the Danish girl)
Male bodied humans are perfectly able to create life via their penis/sperm, so god knows why they'd want complicated and risky surgery to grow a baby like a woman does.

PetraDelphiki · 29/05/2019 09:06

I’m going with hoax but I did just have a scary thought. I’d originally looked at it and thought that no ethics committee would ever let this happen given the extreme potential for harm to the foetus...but then I wondered if they even would have to consider it. Given that we don’t have any laws to protect foetuses from their mother (not saying we should or not, just observing) - pregnant women can choose to drink/take drugs/sky dive or whatever and can’t be prevented. If the ethics committee were discussing this could they say that the trans woman with the uterus implant can’t be stopped from taking the anti rejection drugs/oestrogen/whatever else is needed even if the tw knows it can/will harm the foetus? Or would it be that doctors are forbidden to prescribe the drugs to people carrying foetuses? Can doctors be forbidden? Or do we rely on them “doing no harm”?

ThePurportedDoctoress · 29/05/2019 09:06

There has been talk of this survey before. It's to assess the "perceptions and desires" (what else) of trans people. Not sure why Womb Transplant UK feel the need to get involved in this madness - I'm guessing it's a fundraising exercise.
www.bioethicsobservatory.org/2019/03/womb-transpalntation-transwomen/29654

"Ben Jones, a surgeon at Imperial and member of the Womb Transplant UK organisation which is planning the first [female-to-female transplant] operations this year, said a questionnaire of transgender women will help to determine ‘whether or not there is a desire to undergo this process’.

Several transgender men – those who were born women and then switched – have already given birth in the UK.

But in those circumstances it was merely a case of retaining the female reproductive organs after they transitioned, rather than having to implant female organs into a male body."

KatvonHostileExtremist · 29/05/2019 09:02

While we are on Imperial College, a shout out to the vice-provost, who was recently targeted for bullying by TRAs.
Her crime? Well she mentioned biology and respectful debate. This of course is not allowed. So a witch hunt immediately started.

I was pleased to see there was only about 7 likes on the pink news article. People can surely see this is bullying plain and simple.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/05/17/imperial-college-london-vice-provost-apologises-for-anti-trans-content/

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LassOfFyvie · 29/05/2019 08:58

Just had a quick look and Imperial have been conducting animal tests for uterus transplants:
spiral.imperial.ac.uk/handle/10044/1/30828

That is absolutely vile and completely indefensible. No one , trans woman or natal woman , needs a womb transplant.

Animal rights concerns me a lot and is one of the reasons I am opposed to almost all assisted fertility , including IVF and surrogacy. Millions of laboratory animals tortured and killed for no good reason.

Ereshkigal · 29/05/2019 08:53

The Woke would be the first people to scream ‘Frankenstein!’ at the thought of genetically modified wheat but they are okay with this.

Indeed.

SarahTancredi · 29/05/2019 08:52

Didnt it kill the last Male person they tried this on?

They cant do this until they have figured out how to keep a baby alive outside of the human female body for the whole 9 months. And once they have done that they then they wont needn't transplant anyway

resisterpersister · 29/05/2019 08:43

This study may be a hoax, but make no mistake, this is something people are working towards. There's a market for it, kudos for the scientists on being the first to achieve it, and a near religious zeal for transhumanism among many in biotech (e.g. see Martine Rothblatt).

See this article from the 90s about the idea of male pregnancy without a womb:

www.nytimes.com/1994/11/27/magazine/how-to-get-a-man-pregnant.html?pagewanted=all

titchy · 29/05/2019 08:43

Anyone want to email Imperial to ask if they approved this...? Bet they haven't and it's a hoax.

JellySlice · 29/05/2019 08:37

Implant uteri into men. Implant, not transplant. Language matters.

AlwaysComingHome · 29/05/2019 08:37

The Woke would be the first people to scream ‘Frankenstein!’ at the thought of genetically modified wheat but they are okay with this.

LangCleg · 29/05/2019 08:33

I'm coming down on the side of hoax.

I fucking hope so, anyway.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 29/05/2019 08:33

It must be that! How awful!
What a thing to lie about!

There's people on that reddit thread wondering if they can give birth through their artificial vaginas, that it could work. They don't understand biology at all.

It's giving vulnerable people false hope and it's cruel.

The organisation they've linked to states women everywhere!! It's about female to female womb transplants.

And by women they seem to be talking about adult human females.

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GottaGetUp · 29/05/2019 08:33

But why would anyone make up that screenshot?

For shits and giggles.

To rile up the terfs and/or delusional men.

merrymouse · 29/05/2019 08:33

But why would anyone make up that screenshot?

Mischief making? For the same reasons that anybody creates fake news on social media?

LizzieSiddal · 29/05/2019 08:27

KatVon They probably want to be able to state that a huge number of TW want a womb transplant, the demand is there so they should receive money for research.

Its just manipulation and lies.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 29/05/2019 08:23

The current research doesn't mention transplants to men
wombtransplantuk.org/research/current-research-programme

But why would anyone make up that screenshot? They want transwomen to contact this organisation for what? To see there are willing guinea pigs?

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 29/05/2019 08:19

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Outofinspiration · 29/05/2019 08:19

The UK Womb Transplant research team hypothesise that whilst there are additional anatomical, hormonal, fertility, and obstetric complexities,

Um, no shit! 😂

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donquixotedelamancha · 29/05/2019 08:06

Someone tell me how to opt out of donating my womb in the worst case scenario.

Organ donors do not donate wombs. Anything outside the normal schedule requires individual consent.

I read a paper on the surgical aspects of womb transplants in males a while back- we are a long way off.

If I recall correctly it required redirecting arteries and removing some bone from the pelvis. Even if you got it in there, the absence of an exit would create substantial challenges.

merrymouse · 29/05/2019 08:00

wombtransplantuk.org

This is the website - I can't find anything that relates to the screenshot in the OP.

I agree with GottaGetUP. Unless somebody can link to a source, this looks like stirring.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 29/05/2019 07:52

What next? The ability to give birth to a dog or baby hippo? Why ever not? I’m sure there is someone out there who really really really wants to be momma to a real bear cub.

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