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Expose of West Yorkshire police force

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EweSurname · 27/05/2019 17:59

An uploaded an expose of West Yorkshire police force and their hate crime strategies

The thread it came from:

twitter.com/CatsLov14393186/status/1132790914794033160

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JackyHolyoake · 27/05/2019 19:31

The Equality Act 2010 is very clear. It explicitly treats "gender reassignment" differently for natal men and natal women, for very obvious reasons. The examples given in the Explanatory Notes explain that in undeniable terms.

LangCleg · 27/05/2019 19:23

I probably fucking correctly sexed as a mortal sin or something there.

Something something Barracker something something thing-that-must-not-be-mentioned something something.

Oh well at least it's not the weekend.

Again:

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

LangCleg · 27/05/2019 19:21

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DpWm · 27/05/2019 19:20

This is all so fucking dirty I actually feel like need a wash

JackyHolyoake · 27/05/2019 19:19

For the record here is the Explanatory Note associated with Equality Act 2010, section 7: Gender Reassignment:

Section 7: Gender reassignment
Effect
41.This section defines the protected characteristic of gender reassignment for the purposes of the Act as where a person has proposed, started or completed a process to change his or her sex. A transsexual person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

42.The section also explains that a reference to people who have or share the common characteristic of gender reassignment is a reference to all transsexual people. A woman making the transition to being a man and a man making the transition to being a woman both share the characteristic of gender reassignment, as does a person who has only just started out on the process of changing his or her sex and a person who has completed the process.

Background
43.This section replaces similar provisions in the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 but changes the definition by no longer requiring a person to be under medical supervision to come within it.

Examples
A person who was born physically male decides to spend the rest of his life living as a woman. He declares his intention to his manager at work, who makes appropriate arrangements, and she then starts life at work and home as a woman. After discussion with her doctor and a Gender Identity Clinic, she starts hormone treatment and after several years she goes through gender reassignment surgery. She would have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment for the purposes of the Act.

A person who was born physically female decides to spend the rest of her life as a man. He starts and continues to live as a man. He decides not to seek medical advice as he successfully ‘passes’ as a man without the need for any medical intervention. He would have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment for the purposes of the Act.

This means that a man simply declaring himself to be a woman is not subject to the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment" and should never be recorded and treated as such.

Our criminal justice system should already know this, for goodness' sake!.

JackyHolyoake · 27/05/2019 19:11

Further it seems that West Yorkshire Police has no knowledge of the civil law that is the Equality Act 2010, which it would need to have for employment [HR] purposes, wherein the sexes are defined as:

man = male of any age and
woman = female of any age

The protected characteristic of "gender reassignment", which relates to the Gender Recognition Act 2004, is specific to transsexuals only [section 7 Equality Act: www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/4 ] .

It is erroneous to record any person who has not obtained a GRC as the opposite sex.

Whatever guidance has been issued to our police services is erroneous.

theOtherPamAyres · 27/05/2019 19:08

The caller has an extremely good case against a police officer.

The sergeant is taking the complaint.

The sergenat gives the correct information about why the police record incidents and crimes in the way that they do - government guidelines. He tells her that individual police officers have no choice but to comply. She has a go at him even though she keeps saying 'I'm not having a go". He is extremely reasonable and patient and prepared to set out the policy, practice and procedures in a pleasant matter over the course of 30 minutes.

He says that he has his own opinions on the matter but that it would be unprofessional to reveal them.

It's almost as if she doesn't know that the police have been given instructions about self identification. It's pointless haranguing a sole police sergeant for the government's directions, surely? It's pointless shouting at him.

I wish she had stuck to her original complaint about the abusive police officer from West Yorkshire Police, rather than a debate on the rights and wrongs of guidance from the Home Office. The complaint is the ONLY thing that he can influence and investigate. "I cannot do anything about how they identify", he says.

If this is the expose, then it shows that WYP have been saddled with a crock of sticky stuff. She ends by saying 'I feel in my heart, that we're on the same side, bless you'.

JackyHolyoake · 27/05/2019 19:02

Wow! West Yorkshire Police Service is operating under extremely crazy, guidance from somewhere. Perhaps an FOI is needed to discover from where / whom that guidance came?

Other police services around UK are subject to similar guidance?

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