Expose of West Yorkshire police force

So,whohas advised the police to ignore sex, given that sex is a necessary protected characteristic in UK civil law?

This FOI request thing. Can that be made here.

Theres always link somewhere that makes everything suddenly become clear...

Exactly so, Sarah ... you ridicule the situation perfectly.

Police have the means to obtain proof about sobriety.

They also have the means to obtain proof about sex of persons arrested. [DNA samples are taken from all arrested people so sex is easily ascertained. Thereafter police can further ascertain the sex from the Birth Certificate of any individual.]

So, who has advised the police to ignore sex, given that sex is a necessary protected characteristic in UK civil law?

It seems to me that police forces are operating as though self ID is law.

Police stats are recorded as per the person's 'self-identity' on the basis of 'guidance' they have received.

Criminal figures are being distorted by this, women in prisons are being put at risk by this.

Here's Linda Bellos

Self-ID has not been introduced into law. I think it's a fairly reasonable expectation that police forces abide by the law.

I identify as sober officer ....

Doesnt matter I cant walk straight, there appear to be five of you, I've thrown up all over your shoes and the lights gone red .

If I say I'm sober im sober.

Who cares what the medical reality of my blood test says..

He says people can identify as they like '

which has no meaning in any UK civil or criminal law.

So, who has given our police services "advice" that this is the case, to the extent that our police services have adopted this as policy, given that it is in direct conflict with the current status of UK civil law?

Listening to it as devil's advocate - could the trans lobby be upset about the number of times the police sergeant says 'unfortunately'...? He says people can identify as they like 'unfortunately' - I agree it is an unfortunate state of affairs but the woke folk are so very fragile they could take offence at that.

theOtherPamAyres

My question still stands: from what source is our police services receiving such advice?

Who is advising the police to disregard the current status of UK civil law, where it intersects with criminal law?

I'm also curious now , that given the training they received would have most likely contained the words "it never happens"

Well , it's now on record from a police officer that they have had dodgy people take advantage

It's also on record that when a female officer is requested a Male bodied one could show up.

Kinda debunks the whole " no one will notice" akd " it never happens" thing doesn't it
So police know already they have been lied to as they are having to come up with ways to explain or deal with it.

So why are they still going along with stuff that they have already seen is lies?

also need to be aware of some civil law because, at times, that impacts on criminal law, as is the case with people subjectively declaring their "transsexual" status

The sergeant answered this one for the caller. He said that there is no law against declaring that you are trans, even when it's as plain as day that you are not. He's right!

He's also right when he says that the police can't judge or decide to ignore a man when he says that he is a woman. They HAVE TO record the person's self-serving description of themselves and have no discretion. They have no discretion either about what constitutes a hate crime or incident - the complainant decides that. (Any discretion was taken away after the Stephen Lawrence case).

This isn't something of their choosing. They don't get to make the laws. They can't refuse to comply with directions from the Home Office, Ministry of Justice, CPS and Select Committees.

The caller has a solid case for a formal complaint about PC Cavalier (sp?). There are some serious questions WYP needs to answer about the caller's treatment in the context of their Violence Against Women Strategy. I was so disappointed when she went off on a tangent about the Equality Act

Have to award that police officer with a medal for patience though....

I've listened to this and she's barking up the wrong tree.

Yes, there is also clearly a conflict here between civil law and criminal law. And this depends on advice given to our police services about where civil law currently stands. So who is giving our police services erroneous advice that causes this conflict between civil and criminal law?

Civil law says one thing and related criminal law is saying something else.

Where does this conflict leave the public, bearing in mind that our police services perform their role only with public consent?

Further it seems that West Yorkshire Police has no knowledge of the civil law ...

This is fair enough. Their job is to prevent, detect and investigate crime, catch criminals etc. I'd expect them to have a good working knowledge of criminal law but there's no reason to expect anyone outside of HR to have an in depth knowledge of the EA or any other area of civil law.

The woman was contacted because of a complaint of malicious communication. She'll have been given 'advice' based on hate crime legislation and its farty little brother 'hate incident' (not sure if this is law or guidance) - these all come under criminal law, not civil law.

Nevertheless, all police officers should have a basic understanding of the EA because they provide a public function so are themselves bound by it in the way they treat the public.

The woman might possibly have a discriminatory harassment case against them if she can show the police created an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for her because of her sex (section 26 - harassment). This would be difficult because they have also treated Harry the Owl just as shittily.

That would be a civil case though, she'd have to make a complaint to IPCC or use the civil court procedure.

Police had asked the public to look out for Ella Davies who was on the run.

twitter.com/DotAtomosBlog/status/1130569106728443904

The police went into detail about the offender's motorbike, in order to help the public find the offender. No further information was given.

The police didn't mention that Ella Davies was formerly Daniel Reeves, a convicted sex offender.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-48338381

Surprisingly, no member of the public spotted the offender while the offender was at large.

theOtherPamAyres

The issue here is from what source has our police services received such guidance. Yes, our police services uphold the criminal law, but they also need to be aware of some civil law because, at times, that impacts on criminal law, as is the case with people subjectively declaring their "transsexual" status.

In the UK no person can claim to be the opposite sex from that of their natal sex recorded on their Birth Certificate unless they have a GRC and a subsequent Birth Certificate that proves this. [Note that the GRC only proves a change of status for the purpose of marriage, claiming benefits and claiming state pension.]

Police [and other parts of our criminal justice system] currently, are erroneously recording and treating people based on subjective hearsay. That is not what UK civil law permits.

The police do not enforce the Equality Act but they must comply with it! It is completely wrong to say it has nothing to do with them.

And what did he mean by " people make mistakes"

So that old lady they were talking about egi reported what she saw with her own 2 eyes was mistaken when reporting it as a man?

So again complicit in mental and emotional abuse of victims.

And there we have it. A woman threatened by a police officer on record on you tube and Twitter fir everyone to hear for not calling a person she had sex with who had a penis , a woman.

Shes been gas lit on the phone now twice. Shes the victim not the ex.

Shocking stuff

And the police are ignorant of UK law, in that case. We need to discover who has been giving our police services such information. The Fair Cop case will discover this, no doubt.

For the record here is the Explanatory Note associated with Equality Act 2010,

Apples and Pears

The Equality Act is a civil law that has nothing to do with the police. The police enforce the criminal law.

The civil law is about suing for damages (among other things) at a Tribunal.

The criminal law is about prosecuting offenders at a trial in the Magistrates or Crown Court.

There are two sets of 'protected characteristics'

1. The Civil law - nine, including sex
2. The Criminal law - five, does not include sex.

Time and time again, I see the police criticised for not enforcing the Equality Act. They can't - it's got nothing to do with them. You have to employ a solicitor to enforce the Equality Act.

Believe in innate gender, or else — say the police.
Jonny Best, 15/11/18

The police have launched their National Trans Tool Kit — a portfolio of definitions, policies and best practice recommendations developed in partnership with Stonewall, the National LGBT Police Network, and the Police Superintendent’s Association. Most of it focuses on how trans officers should be accommodated in their professional roles, but there are also aspects which have worrying implications for the public. What is most concerning is that the authors of the toolkit appear to think that the police are empowered to write new law compelling the public to accept transgender concepts and beliefs.

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/believe-in-innate-gender-or-else-say-the-police-4237baf692da

Police trans tool kit here:

www.lgbtpolice.uk/resources

UK law is explicit via GRA 2004 and Equality Act 2010:

Only those who have obtained a GRC have legal recognition as being "transsexual" and are then subject to the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment".

A person subjectively declaring himself or herself to be "transsexual" is not adequate to achieve the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment".

Reported m'sen for accurate language spoken in temper!

(Sigh.)

Here are the Explanatory Notes associated with the Gender Recognition Act 2004. Note the explicit use if the term "transsexual".

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/notes/division/2

And, a reminder that the GRA 2004 restricts its purpose for "transsexuals" to the confines of that law; ie: marriage, claiming benefits and claiming state pension.

Beyond those Explanatory Notes in the Equality Act 2010, the police should never be recording any male as female unless that male can provide a Birth Certificate which proves they are in possession of a GRC.

Until that Birth Certificate is provided that male should be recorded and treated as a male.

Basic common sense and written in law as well.