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"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

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aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:10

is how India Willoughby describes the people she thinks have influenced the Scout's very sensible decision.
Is it a compulsory feature of womanhood, appropriated or not, to have long hair??! Confused

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LangCleg · 27/05/2019 13:08

I have:

short hair (on my head)
hair (on my legs)
saggy tits
a tendency to non-compliance
a fucking great big gob

I also have:

XX chromosomes

I have concluded that:

I must be some kind of alien.

(India: DFOD)

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 13:03

'Women with short hair.'

More proof that trans ideology is all about reinforcing gender stereotypes.

Real women might have a penis, but it's how they dress and style their hair that demonstrates their womanliness.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 13:03

&’dirty’ I shaved legs?

In 2017 on Woman's Hour India Willoughby said that women with hairy legs were 'dirty'
I was a shocked as Jenni Murray to hear this once I had re-listened to check that I wasn't experiencing auditory hallucinations.

Dame Jenni Murray was so insensed she wrote an article. This led to TRAs protest & then public censure by the BBC.
Since then TRAs have no platformed and protested DameJenni Murray.
She noticeably does not do any of the interviews on R4 Womans Hour concerning sex/gender.

May 2017 The article:
Jenni Murray: Be trans, be proud — but don’t call yourself a “real woman”
Can someone who has lived as a man, with all the privilege that entails, really lay claim to womanhood? It takes more than a sex change and make-up
(extract)
"The fury that a male-to-female transsexual could be so ignorant of the politics that have preoccupied women for centuries hit me again last year — 16 years after I had met Carol. This time I was speaking to another trans woman, India Willoughby, who had hit the headlines after appearing on the ITV programme Loose Women.

India held firmly to her belief that she was a “real woman”, ignoring the fact that she had spent all of her life before her transition enjoying the privileged position in our society generally accorded to a man. In a discussion about the Dorchester hotel’s demands that its female staff should always wear make-up, have a manicure and wear stockings over shaved legs, she was perfectly happy to go along with such requirements. There wasn’t a hint of understanding that she was simply playing into the stereotype — a man’s idea of what a woman should be.

She described hairy legs on a woman as “dirty”. But hairy legs are not considered dirty in a man. Did she not know that the question of whether a woman should shave her legs or her armpits had been a topic of debate among women for an awfully long time? And that to describe a woman who chose not to shave as dirty was insulting and again suggested an ignorance of sexual politics?

Unsurprisingly, my polite and informed line of questioning exposed me to a barrage of criticism on social media. I was a Terf and didn’t understand what Simone de Beauvoir, the author of one of the great feminist tracts, The Second Sex, meant when she wrote: “One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.”

As a matter of fact, I have understood perfectly what de Beauvoir meant ever since I read her as a teenage girl. Her subject was that “second sex”. She used the word sex advisedly." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/be-trans-be-proud-but-dont-call-yourself-a-real-woman-frtld7q5c

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/05/2019 13:01

Willoughby thinks that women should be feminine and girly, just like Willoughby.

terryleather · 27/05/2019 13:00

Speaking for myself, if you add in saggy-titted harridan I'll take that description..Grin

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 12:59

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1132928106967326720

Saltovinegar · 27/05/2019 12:56

I can't do links but it's a tweet IW has posted. They are such an idiot.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 12:54

India Willoughby has form for sexist, false accusations and hyperbole:

April 2018 India Willoughby's Opinion piece for Pink News:

'Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'
(extract)
We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.

Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.

The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and – wait for it – Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people." (continues)

I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians.

Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.

It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.” (continues)

Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly. The reality is more like a Nuremberg Rally. It’s very scary.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

GCAcademic · 27/05/2019 12:16

Well, clearly these are not women. How very dare they not perform femininity!

aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:16

I obviously didn't get the memo explaining "how to be a woman"

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justasking111 · 27/05/2019 12:16

A link would be helpful

MadamBatty · 27/05/2019 12:15

&’dirty’ I shaved legs?

aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:14

it's utterly bizarre, where's the self awareness?!

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realdoctor · 27/05/2019 12:12

I think Willoughby needs to examine Willoughby's own internalised transphobia (per Stonewall this would include hostility to gender non-conforming people such as women with short hair). I can feel a 'mea culpa' moment coming on ...

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