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"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

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aprilviolets · 27/05/2019 12:10

is how India Willoughby describes the people she thinks have influenced the Scout's very sensible decision.
Is it a compulsory feature of womanhood, appropriated or not, to have long hair??! Confused

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AnyFucker · 27/05/2019 14:02

I have medium length hair and am at the regrowth stage of leg adornment. Where the fuck do I fit in.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/05/2019 13:59

LOL

Why is the length of the hair even relevant, India? You seem to feel it's a criteria on which they should be dismissed?

Because you're implying that short haired women are what? Lesbians? Not proper women? Ugly? What exact gem of sexism and misogyny did you mean there?

Walk through a supermarket, hon. How many women do you see there with short hair? Not performing femininity, just being a person with XX biology. Chat to a few. Why do they have short hair? Clue: mine's due to being disabled and unable to care for longer hair. Does that make me an ugly failed woman? Do please stand up and explain that on national TV, I'll hold your coat. Smile

Hithere12 · 27/05/2019 13:57

India blocked me on Twitter ages ago cz I said she behaved like an MRA

terryleather · 27/05/2019 13:56

And for the umpteenth time.

Rules Of Misogyny #8

Women are whatever men say they are and men are whatever men say they are.

Let that penetrate...

XenoBio · 27/05/2019 13:51

Many of her friends have ‘come out’ (at 12 years old FFs) as lesbians or pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils)

I have a transmale colleague who confessed to me very earnestly he was pansexual. And then added that he kept getting thrown out of Lakeland. 🤣

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 13:51

If I did have short hair I'd consider getting it on a badge or a T-shirt.

Hithere12 · 27/05/2019 13:48

With short hair 😂 is that a dog whistle for “butch lesbian” or something?

RoyalCorgi · 27/05/2019 13:46

I'm sure Linda Bellos and her friends are absolutely devastated at being described as "a bunch of nasty women with short hair". Move over, Oscar Wilde!

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 13:37

I am nasty, but I don't have short hair. I'm not sure where that leaves me?

justasking111 · 27/05/2019 13:35

Victoria is not very gracious when thwarted. Professional politicians would move on from this.

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:31

Raging your dd sounds hilarious.

GG next.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 27/05/2019 13:29

Girl guides next then eh?

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:28

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RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:27

If We have short hair and wear comfy shoes (AND I CBA to shave my legs.) Maybe we actually are non binary/ trans. they’ll HAVE to listen to us or it’s literal violence.

Yeah, for some reason they don’t seem to like it when people who had previously considered themselves straight ‘c*s’ women realise that we’ve actually been NB all along and try to get our voices heard under the umbrella.

Apparently it’s seen as a bit disingenuous, despite the fact that we gender critical/non-conforming females with short hair and trousers tick many of the boxes for being trans/NB/queer. Odd huh?!

I told my DD last night that if she’d rather do cricket than rounders to just identify as a boy on PE days and they’d have to let her swap. She has short hair and wears trousers and shirt/tie to school instead of an open neck blouse and skirt. She also bought her shoes from the boys section at Clark’s, so she could well fit the definition and nobody could question it even if she didn’t.

She was tempted by the idea but said that she likes boys not girls so she can’t be trans and I explained that she can be a gay trans boy on PE days if she wants, she doesn’t need to change anything about her appearance, can still have a boyfriend and also get to play cricket. Win win.

She said they’d make her change with the boys but DS said no, she’d get her own changing room, so more privacy than in the boys or girls changing rooms.

Many of her friends have ‘come out’ (at 12 years old FFs) as lesbians or pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils) so I don’t see why she should miss out on doing what she likes just because she doesn’t have a special label.

I say let’s all play the system and see how long it takes for it all to come crumbling down.

R0wantrees · 27/05/2019 13:24

India Willoughby's tweet

Times article: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

(extract)
The organisation, which accepts boys and girls of all ages, has also rescinded advice that a child’s gender transition must be treated with “complete confidentiality”, including being kept from parents. The guidance now says such information should be shared with families or the authorities if there are welfare concerns.

The Scouts’ equal opportunities policy has also been revised to include the category of sex, previously omitted in favour of “gender identity”.

Most references to the transgender lobby group Mermaids, which has been accused of promoting misinformation, and which helped produce the old transgender policy, have been removed.

The policies were rewritten after complaints by leaders and members. In letters seen by this newspaper, they said the policy was “inappropriate and dangerous” and that it told leaders to “ignore normal safeguarding”.

Linda Bellos, a feminist who was one of the Scouts’ advisers, said: “They could see they had made a mistake — they had missed out anything to do with women. They seem to have heard the arguments put to them and I’m very pleased.” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scouts-earn-u-turn-badge-after-scrapping-trans-policy-w6rnxbflc?shareToken=dc09effc06301868a86f76ddd096ed39&wgu=270525_54264_15589484996038_e8776e8ee3&wgexpiry=1566724499&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

What's happened is that an organisation responsible for the care of children has correctly re implemented the actual law and Safeguarding frameworks.
Previously they had been misadvised on law & Safeguarding by trans lobby groups & individuals.

A male transperson who has considerable media platform but is unconnected with the Scouts objects to them following the principles of the law, Safeguarding, Child Protection & Duty of Care?

"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"
littlbrowndog · 27/05/2019 13:23

Yeah Scottish doll

Get that hair chopped off now

Then India will be happy

Who the fuck wants real women with short hair

All real women have the long hair doncha know

Absolutepowercorrupts · 27/05/2019 13:22

Jessica
If I said what I really wanted to about Willoughby's idea of femininity I would be banned.

NotTerfNorCis · 27/05/2019 13:21

We've seen how India 'let that penetrate' Willoughby treats women in Willoughy's CBB outing. But bullies are often cowards, so would Willoughby take on Bellos in real life?

youllhavehadyourtea · 27/05/2019 13:19

I have short hair.
I have hairy legs.
I also have hairy oxters.

India would have the vapours.

ScottishDoll · 27/05/2019 13:18

Must I hack my flowing locks to post here now then?

RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:16

I would love to see India say that to Linda Bellos.. She tagged Linda Bellos in a later tweet ShockAngry

XenoBio · 27/05/2019 13:16

Hang on

If We have short hair and wear comfy shoes (AND I CBA to shave my legs.) Maybe we actually are non binary/ trans. they’ll HAVE to listen to us or it’s literal violence.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 27/05/2019 13:11

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RagingWhoreBag · 27/05/2019 13:11

I remember reading an article on why (many) men don’t like women with short hair - just trying to find it but can’t track it down.

The gist of it was that women with short hair don’t give a fuck about the male gaze, are not interested in whether or not you approve of their looks or their choices and want to please themselves, and as such, they are dangerous!

Made me want to go back to a pixie cut.

I think some people may feel the need to ‘perform femininity’ more than others and IW is definitely one of those people.

Those of us secure in our femaleness can choose the hairstyle and the opinions that make us happy and everyone else can go fuck themselves. Some people don’t approve of that attitude apparently - not very ladylike is it?!

JessicaWakefieldSV · 27/05/2019 13:10

Willoughby thinks that women should be feminine and girly, just like Willoughby.

I have no desire to look remotely like Willoughby. I’m not sure I’d use feminine or girly to describe Willoughby though, but I get that is the look they’re aiming for and mistakenly believe all women should conform to.

Willoughby is a misogynistic person who I try very hard to avoid the opinions of.

Grey Rock.

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