"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

I have very long hair, but it's always in a bun and doesn't take me more than five minutes a day to deal with. I also have hairy legs and sensible shoes. Somehow I think I wouldn't meet with India's approval despite the long hair. Not Barbie-like enough.

India seems to be an extremely shallow and superficial person.

India Willoughby's idea of what a makes a 'good' (as opposed to bad) woman are very much those of a male who grew up in the 1970's 80's in a sexist environment.

That can't be right ? Male pattern baldness ...wouldn't that be caused by male hormones ?

Erm...

yes I know some XX women develop "male pattern" hair thinning as they age due to dropping oestrogen which allows testosterone to be dominant so it doesn't alter my point

PP just reminded me that I had my hair cut pretty short in about 1983 as did lots of other girls and women, probs due to lady Di looking back.

Also when it came to pop stars there was massive gender non conformity all over the place from both men and women. To the point where it was not even non conforming any more, girls with short hair and suits and boys with lush locks and makeup were the norm.

India was obviously around in those days.

Seems lots of people have short memories and also a desire to enforce very strict gender appearance and grooming rules.

On Scouts, common sense, good news.

Girl guides have got themselves in an entrenched position though where apparently girls in camp bunking in with unexpected dick is fine as the dick owners are female so there is literally nothing to even think about. Oh and girls / their parents who don't like it can leave.

As if any woman of the XX variety, gives a shit about IW’s opinions.

Despite the fact that I have never knowingly interacted with Willloughby, I am blocked.

Hey, India - I've got short hair - and am XX, complete with uterus, fallopian tubes, vagina.

I reckon that makes me a woman. How 'bout you?

These are good questions, Rubidium - I've noticed that too. Teenage girls are generally much more conventionally feminine than in my day - long hair and make-up are de rigueur for the modern female teenager. Quite depressing, really. At 16, I hardly knew anyone who wore make-up except on a night out, and plenty of us had short hair.

Amusing to imagine that India regards accusing a woman of having short hair as the ultimate put down, rather than simply exposing India's very narrow worldview of what constitutes a woman.

When I was a teenager, back in the 80s, I decided to get my shoulder length hair cut short. I just felt like it, and wondered what I would look like with short hair, since I had had long(ish) hair since I was little. Many other girls in my year, including some of the cool girls who were popular with the boys, also had short hair. It wasn't a big deal. A couple of years later I grew it long again and it has been a variety of lengths since. However when I see photographs of teenage girls now, it's very hard to spot any of them with short hair. Is this just the current fashion, or is having short hair now some sort of statement of gender non-conformation? Or am I old and out of touch?

Funnily enough most gay men I know are a bit scared of drag queens.

A good number of these celebrity trans, when as men, often look quite 'soft' and gentle, but as 'women' they become hard-bitten drama queens. The living embodiment of the most catty drag act ever.

I’d say having a period, being leered at in your school uniform, not needing to shave your face, and having real boobs is a pretty good experience of living as a female. Not the only ones of course but it’s a good start.

I can imagine some really awful man saying "..a bunch of nasty women with short hair.." (Trump, for example) but I just don't get why a lovely lady like India would be so dismissive and mean to her fellow humans. Sarcasm smiley.

I have found that men retain more shapely pins as they get older (maybe fewer varicose veins due to absence of pregnancies).

Anyway. Haven’t they had a bit of work done? Is theor hair an extension or weave? Those boobs can’t be real.

Let’s see them after they’ve given birth, have been up all night with a sick baby and toddler, are too skint to have hair and nails done, have been working and doing the school run (and up all night making a costume for a school play), when they have not had any cosmetic surgery done - and not had glamour photos carefully shot with a tonne of Vaseline over the lens.

Let’s see all that then - then they may attempt crow all they like.

merrymouse

Tut tut India, stereotypes aren't nice you know.

I was amused to see India has a whole five likes for India's latest attack on women.

Schrodinger's mumsnetter both has short hair, and evicts women from toilets because they have short hair. She never goes to the loo.

Thank you @DuMondeB I was starting to get all worried that I fit into India Willoughby's idea of a woman far to well as I have long hair and no hair on neither legs, arms or armpits, but I do wear sensible shoes. Not that I am a lesbian, I just don't want India Willoughby to consider me an ally.

Saucepansexual I'm determined to get that into a sentence today !

‘Women in sensible shoes’ has long been my favourite euphemism for lesbians.
Not in a disparaging way, more in a ‘lesbians who reject the most nonsensical and uncomfortable of gendered accoutrements are an excellent role models for ALL women’ kinda way.

People in non-sensible shoes (who need hairdryers/straighteners/curling tongs to style their long hair) are probably not that likely to be involved in scouting anyway.

pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils)

is that saucepansexual or fryingpansexual ... we need to know!

I think it would be far better to discuss what Linda Bellos says than mediocre males.

Excellent speeches at the event held in London, Tuesday 22 May 2018 organised by the Lesbian Rights Alliance.

This is all about the law.
Linda Bellos knows a lot about the law.

Transgenderism & Lesbian Erasure: Linda Bellos

With short hair 😂 is that a dog whistle for “butch lesbian” or something?

Yes, I think from her further tweets it's fairly clear it is. To a lesbian who asked that question:

Concentrate on your own section of society and let the kids, families and their own doctors decide what’s best. I’m not sure young lesbian girls should be allowed to go to camp, because they could grow out of it by 18. Not worth the risk.

I don't think IW actually understands what the new policy actually is:

Would they write to mums and dads telling them that a gay or lesbian kid had joined the pack?

If I lose my hair because of chemotherapy, am I not a real woman ?