"a bunch of nasty women with short hair"

All I think of when I hear India's name is India shouting "I Am A Real Woman" at the other (all female) BB inmates.

"let that penetrate"

Well India I have long hair, smooth legs and loads of make up and still think you are full of shite.

I am so nasty, and I rock very cool short hair. Frankly, I'm fucking gorgeous.

And I'm a woman. So there's that.

i look awesome with short hair

I have had many comments from women saying they feel they can’t carry it off

I have a very feminine face though

Im not nasty though...i think nasty people tend to judge others by their appearance

So possibly India needs to rethink their comments...sounding quite nasty there

Can I just say (hopefully without being deleted) that I think India exemplifies some of the worst excesses of trans ideology.

All I think of when I hear India's name is India shouting "I Am A Real Woman" at the other (all female) BB inmates.

I know India doesn't do violent threats or anything like that - but some of the things India does are really damaging - hairy legs on women = "dirty", "short-haired" = insult. It's just awful. India seems to think that a male performing societal-prescribed femininity is more of a woman than an actual woman with short hair and hairy legs.

My hair is longer than India Willoughby's. So sorry, India - I'm clearly "womaning" better than you. Or it might just be my XX chromosomes, who knows?

My DH had hair as long as mine when I met him He was bloody gorgeous. His is short now. It didn't make him any more or less a man.

So cover up distracting hair, what about the ankles are they dangerous too?

I had short hair but the cowlick refused to behave so now I have sloth locks that avoid the salon. Also my neck gets cold in winter and hair makes a good scarf. The dcs would concur it is useful for hanging onto so it spends most time tied up or it gets decorated with cheese sauce and that sort of thing.

I do like long hair on a lovely man I have to say.

Where are all the Drag Kings?

That's what I want to know.

Licks? Locks obv.

An Alice band?

Wtf

On Woman’s Hour today a newsreader was told to get her hair cut as audiences would take her more seriously. And viewers wrote in to say her flowing licks were too distracting.

Contain thyself woman.

Teenage girls are generally much more conventionally feminine than in my day - long hair and make-up are de rigueur for the modern female teenager. Quite depressing, really. At 16, I hardly knew anyone who wore make-up except on a night out, and plenty of us had short hair

Yes, we do seem to have regressed. Gender stereotypes are much more pronounced now in our consumeristic, plastic, pink, Disney'fied world. Consumer culture ( American in origin) has packaged up gender stereotypes and sold them to us.

I'm not sure how accurate this view is, but I suspect that American popular culture is responsible for much of this. Combined with the conventional religiosity of the U.S, no wonder the trans thing has taken off big there.

I’ve got long ringlets and rosy cheeks but hairy legs and very sensible shoes - I’m a fucking chimera.

Glad to see the Scouts have seen sense.

Willoughby can bang the drum of femininity all they like but they will never be able to drag themselves into femaleness.

Funnily enough most gay men I know are a bit scared of drag queens

There's nothing more scary than a vituperative 'woman'.

I was once told that blokes like long hair on women because you can use it to hold and control during sex. Something to grab on to

There is definitely something in that.

I've always liked long haired ( male) rock singers. I do like long hair on young, good looking men. I have short hair myself.

I was once told that blokes like long hair on women because you can use it to hold and control during sex. Something to grab on to.

Q.v. porn.

There is a trans person at my work. Instantly and easily identifiable as trans because they wear a man’s idea of “laydeez” conservative work clothes. On the knee tweed skirts with tan tights, twinsets, jackets. Plus a carefully coiffured and sprayed bob. With alice band. In a workplace where the women’s dress code is practical- usually dark trousers and shirt and hair tied back if it’s any longer than short.

It’s about men. It is not about women.

Also, India’s so rude! If India can dish it, India shouldn’t be surprised when mud gets slung back over the fence.

India Willoughby's idea of what a makes a 'good' (as opposed to bad) woman are very much those of a male who grew up in the 1970's 80's in a sexist environment.

True, though I know a lot of men of that vintage, and none of them would ever come out with anything as sexist as being disparaging about women with short hair. They might think it, I suppose, but they wouldn't say it. India doesn't have the basic good sense to realise that coming across as a sexist male golf club bore isn't a good look if you want people to think you're a woman.

Also when it came to pop stars there was massive gender non conformity all over the place from both men and women. To the point where it was not even non conforming any more, girls with short hair and suits and boys with lush locks and makeup were the norm.

Break it gently to India, but all those lovely young chaps in kpop boybands are still all over the gender-bending dressy up. Make-up (not just guyliner - eyeshadow, lippy, contouring, all sorts), pastels, silky blouses, sparkly earrings and bling, pink hair, purple hair, floral suits, more pastels. All very free. I think part of the reason I enjoy watching the MVs on YouTube so much is that it reminds me of 80s music here, with the new Romantics embracing softer, more expressive attire. BTS’ Blood Sweat & Tears MV is a good example.

How is a pansexual different from a bisexual?

They don't have to deal with endless interrogations about whether they're inclusive of furries/ trans/ otherkin/ Xmen/ Martians/ etc with menaces if they show any sign of boundaries.

If you say you're bi to the Woke, prepare to be reproached for implying that reality does exist and sex is binary.

I have long hair. And hairy legs. And sensible shoes.

I have long hair because it requires no styling and allows me to go years months between trips to the hairdresser. But it is a bugger when the DC helpfully share their headlice.

I am not sure that IW's experience of long hair is the same as mine.

How is a pansexual different from a bisexual?

Wasn't it Willoughby who reeled open mouthed in horror when Willoughby discovered that MN wasn't full of brainless, cosy mumsies woofling gently about prams and actually involved real people? With brains. Who read. And did politics. And argued about stuff with evidence and told it like it was. (Some of whom probably have sensible shoes and short hair !!)

I suspect for many girls, pansexual means both 'I'm cool' and 'I'm a good girl please don't attack me for potentially excluding anyone/anything/any penis you can burn me as a witch for bully me over'.

Salem's witch trials in action.

Windy Illougby is a tit.

My friend’s dd now identifies as pansexual. 🙄

pansexuals (she jokes that this means they’re only attracted to pans and kitchen utensils)
is that saucepansexual or fryingpansexual ... we need to know!

SandyDrawsBadly has the answers!