[US] Male athlete wins women's NCAA national track and field championship

I don’t get this ‘he came 3rd in some races’ as an argument? My husband is 53, never runs, overweight; he wouldn’t win against top female athletes either but that doesn’t prove that it is fair for men to race against women!

Man's body. Man's body wins against women's bodies. But has a "female mind", so, that makes it ok, then? No...no it doesn't.

Well exactly. Even if you follow the TWAW argument, it's still a male body, because they have been 'born into the wrong body'.

So what is that male body doing in women's sports?

This is madness.

DS also does martial arts. He’s good but not brilliant... I have a very cunning plan...

DS is really passionate about running too... he's 13, mediocre but passionate. It would be sooo easy to step to another team and start winning, being wonder girl.

DS is good at a few sports. Good but not brilliant. I have a cunning plan...

It would be funny if it weren’t so true! I worked in the dance teaching industry for many years and you’d be surprised (or maybe not) at the number of parents and coaches of competitors who weren’t above fudging ages or grades to enable older or higher level competitors to compete and win at younger or lower level events. From there it’s just another step to pretending a boy is trans to compete with and beat the girls.

DS is good at a few sports. Good but not brilliant. I have a cunning plan...

Man's body. Man's body wins against women's bodies. But has a "female mind", so, that makes it ok, then? No...no it doesn't.

I was the worst of 16, once. I was the last person to be picked for the least important place in my university reserve rowing crew. As a result of just managing to beat the 17th woman, I had months of top level coaching, a new level of competitive experience, fitness advice and access to better facilities, nutritional advice, lifelong friends, a change of career direction.

To exclude me from all that opportunity, a male rower didn't have to come first among my female colleagues. He would only have had to come 16th. In the women's squad. How many male rowers, in a sport where power differentials are so brutal that there have to be entire racing categories for men averaging under 11 stone, would not have come at least 16th in that process?

sergeilavrov

Ms Telfer ranked 3rd, 6th and 7th in races at this meet.

So she is not just a mediocre male athlete she is just a mediocre athlete.

My 12 year old son runs track. He’s decent but not the best. He’s listened to me banging on about GC issues enough to jokingly comment that if he was to identify as a girl, he’d win everything.

My kid’s not transphobic by the way. There’s a trans girl in his form who is treated respectfully by all the kids.

It really disturbs me seeing all the girls working so hard at DS’s athletic club, knowing that a cheat could simply wipe. the floor with them.

The "didn't beat everyone," is such a stupid argument. Women should have the expectations that their competition comes from approx the top 10% of females (those interested, hard working and genetically advantaged in this sport). What is happening, is women are competing against the top 10%of women and anyone with gender feelings from the top 50% of men. This makes it harder for the women as it broadens the playing field.

The fact the average man can't beat 100% of women doesn't change how unfair it is.

The argument that "some women are taller, than some men," is from the same set of stupid, as are Phelp's feet.

Ms Telfer ranked 3rd, 6th and 7th in races at this meet.

That reminds me of Sharron Davies concluding that if Rachel McKinnon competed in the men's, it would have to be in the over 70s for them to make a dent. But they can scoop up women's global awards with ease.

Just for the people at the back like sergeilavrov, women are human, you know. In a category of their own, with shared characteristics placing them in that category. The concept of women is a concept in its own right. They are a unique entity. They are not fairly poor athletic men, or artificially weakened men.

Women and girls do not aspire to be men who take drugs to weaken themselves, nor do they aspire to be men who can't compete successfully amongst other men.

Keep out of women's sports.

Caster isnt banned, but I'd agree there's inconsistency in respect of rules for people with Y chromosomes in women's races.

As Hairy said I can see from the photo in that article that Tefler is not running at full pelt in at least one of the races that Tefler didn't win.

How can you prove that you didn't try your best but just skipped about someone in the middle? You can't prove it.

And trust people more? You're having a laugh.

We've got to trust people more

Nope. Get lost with the gaslighting.

I look forward to the rhythmic gymnastics...

I bet the coach was rubbing his hands with glee when the new nuttiness came out and he could place a man knowing that no one would dare say he wasn’t a woman.

Well if "the winner's" shorts were shorter "her" bits might fall out!

Note that the ‘winner’ gets to wear shorts long enough for their number to be attached while the women don’t.

sergeilavrov

What on God's green Earth are you babbling about? A male competing against women is cheating.

It has nothing to do with "don't want to cheat their way in" - just by competing against females as a male they are cheating.

"We've got to trust people more" - trust gaslighting people? No thanks.
I am not standing and watching while men blithely give away girls rights, thank you very much.
And just because those men are not comfortable in their own skin doesn't make it right.

It's not about winning, although that is clearly what is occurring, for obvious reasons to anyone not in the cult.

It's about a male athlete taking the place of a female athlete. For all the placing further down the rankings, that's one more woman cheated out of her chance to place.

And go on, fucking delete me for saying male athlete.

I might be somewhat cynical here, but I can’t help wondering if CeCe didn’t quite run to CeCe’s full potential in every race. That would lead to the TRA’s gleefully pointing out that transwomen don’t always win so no male advantage.

How little self respect CeCe must have.

Slow hand clap for you, you cheat. And those pulling your strings.