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The feminism argument against surrogacy?

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XXVaginaAndAUterus · 27/05/2019 11:26

There's a program on radio 4 about surrogacy at the moment (trigger warning it talks about termination, miscarriage and ethics of testing procedures).

It reminded me that I've seen people on this board say quite strongly that surrogacy is wrong from a feminism point of view. Could you break it down for me and help me to understand?

I can see the argument that women's bodies aren't for rent on the surface of it. What troubles me is that isn't it just a different form of the same thing as many jobs? Lots of work involves effectively exchanging use of your body for money - builders for example, or waiting on staff. Lots of work involves the "rent" of a body in conjunction with a mind. So what makes a womb different? The danger? In which case are you against working on oil rigs or in war zones, and the military?

I'm genuinely seeking to understand this a bit better, I'm not looking for an argument.

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newtlover · 27/05/2019 13:46

whatever hard or dangerous work one does, it is done during particular hours, when you are pregnant you are pregnant all the time and subject to the requirements of the purchasers. In some ways it's like prostitution (the comodification of a biological process) but perhaps it's more like a form of slavery. Interestingly, organ harvesting is classified as a form of modern slavery.

Annasgirl · 27/05/2019 11:49

@twattymctwatterson - 100% with this.

twattymctwatterson · 27/05/2019 11:46

I don't really understand why people can be totally on board with surrogacy but agree that it's right we don't allow poor people to sell their kidneys

Annasgirl · 27/05/2019 11:40

Well, there is more to pregnancy than renting out your body. For example, the person who is pregnant can be compelled by the buyer to not eat certain foods, to not drink certain items etc while they are pregnant. Now if you want to be pregnant with your own child you will decide on this for yourself, but if you are being paid to carry someone else's child, they get to tell you what to do for 9 whole months, maybe more if you have to "prepare" your body, 24/7. Not many jobs require this level of dedication.

Second, there are the huge health risks to women from added complications of pregnancy and birth which can not be compensated for by money - my DSIL nearly died from complications and can never have another child - would you like this to happen to you at 21 when carrying someone else child?

Third, there are many environmental impacts in the womb on the genetics of the developing child - therefore, even though the parents have tried to make the baby a completely separate genetic entity to the hosting mother, there is no way they can stop the genetic information and genetic changes which take place in the womb. So the baby is truly a physical part of the birth mother.

Fourthly, a child is not an entity to be bought - so we believe that a child has a human right not to be bought. Surrogate children are always bought - how many poor people have a child by surrogate?

Fifth, it devalues pregnancy and birth which are the main elements of being female that misogynists hate, if they could grow a child in a lab and remove the sacredness of pregnancy they would. This is the first step along the line.

TheDailyCarbuncle · 27/05/2019 11:40

Can you genuinely not see the difference between being paid to do work on an oil rig and being paid to grow a baby in your own body? Really?

truthisarevolutionaryact · 27/05/2019 11:36

There's been quite a bit of discussion about this on here OP. Try this thread?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3594822-Guardian-the-rise-of-social-surrogacy

twattymctwatterson · 27/05/2019 11:35

Because renting out part of your body for 9 months isn't the same as receiving payment for your labour. Because childbirth and pregnancy are more likely to kill you or leave you with life changing injuries than working on an oil rig, because of the psychological damage which could be caused by growing a person inside of you then giving it away, because truly altruistic surrogacy is extremely rare and the likelihood is that women in difficult circumstances could be exploited into doing something they don't really want to do (similar to prostitution).

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