The Times: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

iknowenough I really hope that most of those have nothing to do with Scouts, however Gregor Murray who was on their definitely claims to have quite a lot to do with Scouts. I am glad that the Scouting HQ have been listening to the concerns of leaders like Maya though.

Maya please let us know if the SA tries to discipline you in anyway. I'll back you.
I do suspect that there were people in that post who have nothing to do with scouts

Omg I bowed out at 11ish after the constant call to tell them where I'm a leader and which section. It was very hectoring and bullying then, no idea it had escalated further. When I looked this morning it had gone and all notifications had disappeared. Just checked and am still a member but Maya has disappeared. There were a lot of people, mainly male, purporting to be in the UK Scout movement commenting. Please tell me you got the screen shots beforehand Maya.

I found that Facebook thread very concerning. It is shocking that some of the people on that thread are scout leaders and in charge of safeguarding the welfare of our children. I am so sorry that you have been treated like this Maya.

Gregor Murray (the suspended councillor in Dundee) was saying that terfs are scum over and over again on that thread.

And someone on there linked to this page

The thread disappeared around 6/7 this morning.

Gregor Murray (the suspended councillor in Dundee) was saying that terfs are scum over and over again on that thread.

Seemed awfully upset at the prospect of the re-tightening of safeguarding for children within Scouts.

Don't think he articulated why exactly.

I think I've been blocked from the group altogether oldcrone and I suspect they've removed the thread

Have they removed the whole thread, Maya? I just went back to look at it again (don't know why, because it made pretty horrifying reading), and I got an error message. I can't see it from the group's main page (but I'm not very good with facebook, so it might just be me).

There's so much of this debate I don't understand...
Would a transgirl want to share a communal changing room/showers with girls? Or a transboy with boys, highlighting the difference?
How can you keep it a secret from the group? Don't the kids talk to each other?
Wouldn't the medical needs be different? Different equipment needed maybe?

I think I've been removed from and blocked from the group 🙄

I've carefully avoided discussing my views on social media after what happened to the guider.
I do however discuss it with my explorers, other leaders and parents.

They trust me to keep their kids safe and the contradictory trans policy did not to that.

1st Facebook is like AIBU it can get very aggressive, people forget that it isn't just a UK group and that scouting around the world is very different. Also there a parents and scouts on that group too not just leaders.

I feel a bit better after the clarification but still not enough to let it drop completely- also my emails haven't been responded to. It would have been nice for a little 'just to let you know that we heard your concerns and you weren't alone so this is what we've done. I knew nothing about the changes before I found a post here!

That'll be an interesting one, Pantah. Will they throw out the heretics who don't believe in the genderist faith? I really couldn't believe what I was reading on there. 'Trans girls are girls', and any girl who objects to sharing accommodation with a girl with a penis is a bigot. I assume nobody posting that stuff is a parent of daughters.

Think it's been deleted now, will wait and see if the one threatening me with reporting to TSA as unsuitable to be a leader as I don't believe TWAW follows through.

Mainly for the lurkers oldcrone 😁

One of the posters on that fb thread seems to be gregor Murray the councillor (snp?) who was suspended for swearing at women on social media. They're a scout leader.

I admire you for trying to reason with them, Maya, but I think they're a lost cause. They seem to have closed their minds to reason and reality. It's quite telling that they don't engage with you, just resort to name calling and accusations of transphobia.

I would be tempted to ask them for their definition of 'woman', though.

There are some bizarre comments on there, like this one:

From the article "...Many of these children will grow up to reconciled with their healthy bodies and many will be gay and lesbian adults". Personally I see this causing more issues than it resolves

So this person thinks letting a child grow up to be happy with their body and possibly gay or lesbian causes more issues than a lifetime of medication and surgery. Homophobic and insane.

And this one:

I’ve had a young person in one of my sections before who was transgender and who strongly felt they ‘were in the wrong body’... And talking to the young persons parents was a non-starter as they insisted the young person was ‘in the right body’.

So do they think that people can literally be 'in the wrong body'? And that they can change sex?

And lots of them saying 'trans girls are girls - they should sleep with the girls'.

Biology denial, homophobia, misogyny. It's all there.

The thread on First FB Scouts is quite disturbing

Promising children "complete confidentiality" is a safeguarding breach but so many so ready to jump on someone who raised it, and try to get them banned!

There is a current thread on 1st fb scout group

I've just read some of that. Do those people really think it's possible to change sex? Or are they just a bunch of misogynists who are trying to keep the uppity women in their place?

And they're mainly male
It's tough going, banging your head on a brick wall would be more productive.

A cub leader reading 1st Facebook Scouts.. I think some people are being deliberately blind.

Well done Maya. Great work!

There is a current thread on 1st fb scout group for any other leaders wanting to join the discussion. The Scots councillor has already waded I'm crying t£&@
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That's real progress Maya - many congratulations.
The levels of misinformation, gaslighting and guilt tripping by trans lobby groups has been incredible to see. Unpicking this and centring the needs of children rather than these adults seeking validation will take some time and it's going to be in small steps like this.