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In fact the only solid part in femme presenting queer woman is that the person wears things like skirts and makeup.

Queer means nothing, woman means nothing.

It's all about the clothes, that's the only piece which actually means something.

FUCKS SAKE.

Agree pride has become v corporate. At companies that sponsor allies are invited to go so you can't really blame them if they do. I think the whole thing has lost its way.

Gay bloke at work v pissed off his view is pride is protest been watered down etc.

Thing is, Eg this person. The words don't mean much really. Femme presenting queer woman can mean male or female attracted to males or females. Kink is queer now. Everyone pretty much is under the trans umbrella.

You can't change what words mean and who is included in groups then be pissed off when people act based on the new meanings and structures.

All the straight men and women with blue hair / who once kissed someone same sex / are het but like a bit of light bondage at the weekend have been explicitly told they are part of this and are welcome.

As a femme-presenting queer woman

Nope, that doesn't mean trans at all. It's a North American term, it is how my Canadian friend describes herself and she is a biological woman. I'm assuming it just means she is not butch and dresses in a more stereotypically feminine way.

I do agree Pride has now become a party spot for straight people and the high ticket prices probably push a lot of gay people out.

Yeah the dismissing hate crimes was what did it for me.

Why is this posted in feminism? Do you think lesbians are somehow getting in the way of feminism?

You don't think you're making the lives of gay people harder by dismissing the idea of homophoobic hate crimes?

Now read thread

Idea gay men and lesbians can hold hands and no one bats an eyelid not true

However the trans thing means I can hold hands with 6'1 DH and say we are lesbian couple so all bets are off really

Not RTFT but read the article

They are saying non lgbtqiilxkp little shouldn't go to pride as its not for them

But also are pissed of that as a female they weren't allowed into a gay bar?

Much lols :)

Yes calling women fish is total misogyny however why the fuck was she trying to get into a gay bar, its not for her!

Wonderful lack of logic

Well the photo of the human dogs on leads at a march was definitely photo worthy I think.

I dont think the author is saying straight people shouldn't go to pride. Just that if you do, dont treat it like a 'freak show' and laugh (in a mocking way) at people because they are different to you. While pride is fun, there is a serious reason why pride exists.

I cant see what the problem is with that message?

😂 OP don't worry, nobody is accusing you of being inclusive.

I do have an issue with being spoken to as if I have no idea that I shouldn't take photos of random strangers as if they are interesting monuments. I know that, thanks.

Was it directed at you personally?

"I'm not homophobic, I have gay friends that agree with me...."

Why can’t straight women go to Pride? We’ve been supporting our sisters, brothers (and I mean relatives) and gay friends for years.

Why not when a man in a dress who has sex with women (with his penis) is put at the head of the parade? That’s not a sexual preference that’s a kink.

A) I would really rather straight people didn't go to pride.
It's turned into a huge commercial cabaret where nobody who would actually benefit can get tickets and it would be better if it could be more representative and grassroots.
B)you sound homophobic and ignorant.

So post away and allow people to see you for who you are, I say.

I feel OK holding hands in a busy crowded place in daylight. Sort of OK. Like I won't be murdered.

If I'm on a walk and holding hands and somebody is approaching we will stop. You just never know whether someone is a homophobe who is violent.

I've been terrified for my life in the last couple of years. A few times. Including in a town where the population is about 1/4 lesbians.

Nobody is scheduling their homophobic hate crime so it happens in front of you.

Also why the snarky guess at who wrote it when a very cursory click through would show you it’s a lesbian.

I honestly can’t see arrogance or mansplaining there. Weird thing to get riled about.

I don't see an issue with it. If we want to have boundaries, then we should allow other groups to have them too.

The first point is understanding the history of pride and why it is necessary, similar arguments could be made for single sex spaces. The last point is about being a guest in their space and acting accordingly, which chimes a bit with the approach of Debbie Hayton to women's toilets.

They don't want pride to become meaningless, their history appropriated by people who don't need it - fair enough.

As a femme-presenting queer woman
I can't help but think that means TW (aka a male).
I'd take issue with postmodern gender ideology in the LGBT movement that had worked to destroy the meaning of words, you may as well not bother with these self defined identity labels anymore because they all end up just completely meaningless.

Other than that I think the whole thing is basically trying to say "straight men please don't go to dyke bars" which is fine, (but obv it's very hypocritical to ask straight men not to go there, but to welcome any heterosexual man who identifies as a woman into "dyke bars") and "don't photograph people without their consent" which is fine, and I think .. Don't try to arrange a threesome unless it's agreed in advance? Fair enough I guess. Not too much there to take issue with really.

Wow OP doesn't see the irony in her second paragraph.

Yes that’s correct.

I don't think Op meant to cause a storm here and is open to suggestions?
JessicaWake I'm the link op gave they talk about trans people of colour who started the stonewall riots. So they are talking about Marsh P. Johnson, who was a drag artist and gay man. Is that correct?