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DV Select Committee contributor wants to browse adult sites on train wifi

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BrightonReSisters · 23/05/2019 14:43

By now you've probably all seen, or at least heard about, Karen Ingala Smith's wonderful contribution to the Women & Equalities Select Committee yesterday. If not, you can see it here:

parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0d07ff13-636e-4b51-a946-2877e583dc4c

You may NOT have seen this re one of the other contributors, Diana James. Diana works with refuges in the south West. On the train to the Select Committee yesterday, Diana wanted to shop online for sex toys. Diana wasn't happy that GWR blocked the online sex toy shop from their WiFi, due to the adult nature of their products. We know this because Diana publicly tweeted to GWR to complain.

That Diana thinks it appropriate to visit an adult site on a public train is disturbing. That Diana thinks it's a good idea to broadcast this publicly is odd. That Diana thought GWR would bow down to Diana's demand to access adult content on their WiFi is downright bizarre.

Diana was invited to give evidence about provision of services for survivors of domestic violence and that makes behaviour even more worrying than if we were talking about a teenage boy or suited commuter.

Diana can of course do as Diana pleases within the bounds of the law. That said, this is a red flag.

When someone in Diana's position thinks this kind of behaviour is appropriate we must ask questions. The first question is probably the most obvious: why ask a this person, with questionable boundaries, to speak for vulnerable abuse survivors?

It's a small mercy that at least GWR seem to have their heads screwed on.

DV Select Committee contributor wants to browse adult sites on train wifi
DV Select Committee contributor wants to browse adult sites on train wifi
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Thingybob · 28/05/2019 11:28

Ha, that cult thread is ridiculous.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 28/05/2019 11:27

ArcheryAnnie I was just coming on to say the same thing about the twitter post!They even talk about T**f is a slur website. Almost like a reverse somehow... Pointing out real examples GC women have issues with but saying we are the cult. Bizarre.

ArcheryAnnie · 28/05/2019 11:21

The weird thing about that "cult" thread is that most of it's true. Yes, I am really happy to be identified as a woman who is part of the movement saying to women that it's OK to have boundaries, that they are not responsible for the abuse men dish out, and that it's possible to find a supportive community of women. How terrible! How "cultish"!

severnboring · 28/05/2019 10:30

twitter.com/dianalouisej/status/1133020453906341890

Here is James calling women a slur that gets you banned from Mumsnet and agreeing that said women are 'a cult' which grooms the vulnerable. Just who you want working in a women's refuge. I always remember - every accusation is an admission. Agree that James' inclusion on the panel was a very bizarre choice, maybe Maria Miller thought that after inviting Jess Bradley anyone would look good?

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 28/05/2019 08:40

Sorry Lass - what the previous poster said. The organisation that James volunteers for runs at least couple of refuges - one men only and one women plus transwomen (don't think it was clarified where transmen went).

James didn't seem on top of the organisation's policies and procedures and unusual to have a organisation rep by a volunteer rather than the head. The trans status therefore seemed to be the main reason hence my previous post.

I agree good to have survivors' experience represented but given that James was the only one, the panel makeup seemed odd.

OrchidInTheSun · 28/05/2019 08:16

Janes apparently works with (unnamed) refuges in the South West and is a survivor.

The twitter feed is pretty standard TRA so make of that what you will

KatvonHostileExtremist · 28/05/2019 08:01

James didn't post that ^
But I kind of felt it fitted in with the mind bleach nature of this thread.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 28/05/2019 08:00

This is what some TRAs think womanhood is all about (obviously they use the expression "girl")

  1. Bizarrely I do think women have a point other than sex
  2. If a woman is homosexual it will never involve a man. That's not what homosexual means.
  3. could you be more creepy?

This post got over 500 likes!

DV Select Committee contributor wants to browse adult sites on train wifi
LassOfFyvie · 28/05/2019 07:59

That isn't what I asked. Does James have expertise in dealing with or experience of domestic violence ?

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 28/05/2019 06:47

James's subjective belief of being a woman.

It's akin to fairy dust in being all the qualifications that are often needed. The classic here is Challanor, an earlier Committee witness who also stood for Deputy leadership of the Green Party despite next to no academic qualification, little political experience (relatively new party member) and next to no knowledge of environmental politics

And of course, Bradley ...

LassOfFyvie · 27/05/2019 20:52

What are Diana James' qualifications for giving evidence to the select committee?

KittensinaBlender · 27/05/2019 19:26

”...does that make me a bad selfish women?”

Doesn’t make you any kind of women at all James. It is perhaps indicative of a vapid, vain personality type, which is, in my experience, not tethered to maleness or femaleness.

KittensinaBlender · 27/05/2019 19:21

Oh gotcha viva. Yes I think you’re right that a lady obvious would only frequent a butt plug shop for ladies.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 27/05/2019 16:47

Imagining kicking off cos you couldn't browse sex toys on a public Wi-Fi 🤣

Creepy and just so entitled!

This other James tweet made me laugh. I literally judge people's sex based on whether they are bothered by dog hair. Grin

DV Select Committee contributor wants to browse adult sites on train wifi
TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 16:36

I wonder if this person was intending to use not being allowed to access woke sex toys online in public, as some kind of Trojan horse for the right to look at old fashioned, non woke sex toys.

People are getting used to playing the woke card in order to chip away at boundaries by claiming discrimination.

"Porn/ kink shaming" etc.

(Disclaimer- I suspect woke sex toys and non woke sex toys only differ in how they are marketed).

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/05/2019 16:07

So, what I mean is - it's struck me that Diana specifically chose that retailer. Because that retailer is where the ladies go for their vibrators.

It's the same-old-same-old validation, isn't it?

it is a nice place, they will give you a cuppa and everything

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/05/2019 16:04

No, my point is that it's run by women, for women, and Diana is, well, (how do I say this without being banned?) - Diana could have tried to access any of the multiple of those sites and shops, but, specifically chose the one which is set up to market adult products for females.

I didn't say it was anything to do with liberation. And, there's nothing wrong with a woman having a wank. Unless they are on a train.

Justhadathought · 27/05/2019 15:59

I've taken a look at the site, and the profiles of the staff too.
It stocks lots of BDSM & 'anal play' stuff, as well as the usual.
Honestly, don't care that it is run by women - it has nothing to do with liberation as far as I'm concerned.

As for Diana James - they were incredibly badly prepared for the committee meeting and unaware of the some of the most basic policies and issues as they relate to the equalities act. Disingenuous.

As for openly mentioning the inability to access such a site while on the way to a committee set up to discuss the safety of abused women, says it all, really.

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 14:27

I'm sceptical that dildos etc are top of the list of priorities for marginalised women but I can't educate myself because that website seems to be down.

KittensinaBlender · 27/05/2019 14:19

Whoopdie effing doo, it’s run by women for women. Still doesn’t make it appropriate content to access in public.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 27/05/2019 13:59

vivariumvivariumsvivaria

So? I don’t give a shit who runs it or why. It’s irrelevant to this discussion.

LassOfFyvie · 27/05/2019 13:20

So what? What has that got to do with attempting to access a sex site on a public wi-fi in a confined public place?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 27/05/2019 11:31

As an aside - the shop that Diana was trying to access is an adult shop run by women, for women.

It's a brilliant place, they do a lot of work normalising and educating about the female sexual response and do outreach work with the NHS and charities which help marginalised women.

Repeat, run by women, for women.

TinselAngel · 27/05/2019 11:30

I've always thought that the moderating influence that the presence of women, has on men, is underestimated.

Justhadathought · 27/05/2019 11:19

I think anybody who watches porn should be ashamed as it only ever exploits women, but maybe I'm old fashioned

Pornography is central to gay male culture, too - but there is great resistance to seeing any of it as exploitative - now matter how demeaning of the men used in it. Pornography is seen as being liberating and central to gay identity. There is a whole genre of 'trans porn' now too - which is partly why so many older men, who may previously have cross dressed, are now more emboldened, & fixated, to come out as 'trans'.

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