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Meghan Murphy in the Scottish Parliament

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/05/2019 22:25

I wasn't there - but, it seems to have been a meeting which has upset this trans woman, who runs a refuge. twitter.com/mridul_wadhwa/status/1131305475046367232

anyone know what happened? and how brilliant it was

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SusanSmithFWS · 25/05/2019 11:06

Thank you, Pam, is been amazing to be a part of!

theOtherPamAyres · 25/05/2019 10:39

@SusanS

The unfunded volunteer-led women's movement in Scotland has made breathtaking and huge steps forward for women and children.

It has exposed the cash-rich, publicly funded LGBT organisatons and so-called women's advocates in Scotland as inept and rather sinister in their disregard for women and children.

It has, through the force of argument, succeeded in making politicians aware of the dangers of redefining the word 'woman' to be inclusive of men. As a result, MSPs have taken the Executive to task about such things as recording crime offenders by so-called gender rather than sex.

I salute you, women of Scotland.

SusanSmithFWS · 25/05/2019 10:19

Forgot to mention that Joan commented on all the cards she'd received. She said that politicians get mass emails on a subject all the time - often containing the same words - but to have personal hand written cards is something else. She was really moved.

So very well done and thank you all!

HerFemaleness · 23/05/2019 17:12

Why are people saying to Mridul ''I'm so sorry'' ''sorry you had to go through that'' etc. Mridul chose to be there, Mridul asked for an invitiation. What a load of attention seeking claptrap.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/05/2019 16:58

It's so hypocritical.

I honesty think this meeting Joan has organised has the potential to tip MSPs over into THINKING instead of just accepting what Vic Valentine et al say.

Am delighted you were there to represent us and report back. Thank you.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/05/2019 16:56

So, if Becky Kauffman was not there - how can their organisation say that they want to engage in respectful debate?

You can't debate with people who won't speak.

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SusanSmithFWS · 23/05/2019 14:37

OP, we were so pleased that the MSPs all said that they regard this as a cross-party issue and not a way to score political points against each other. Also that proper discussion was vital.

No, Becky Kauffman was not there and this piece must have been filled in advance of the meeting. As usual it misrepresents Meghan, Joan and grass-roots women's groups in order to dismiss and, yes, silence us.

bettybeans · 23/05/2019 14:05

Even if I wasn't opposed to Mridul's position on these issues I'm quite sure that I wouldn't think much of her as a professional with behaviour like that. It's absolutely pathetic for a grown adult to behave this way. What's even worse is that it almost seems encouraged. "Oh poor baby" oh fuck off. Get an actual grip of yourselves. They'll be hiring wailers to follow them around soon enough.

If you can't tell from my words, I'm really really losing patience with these ridiculous whining activists. Absolute pantomime.

dragongirlx · 23/05/2019 13:53

I was there but over the other side of the room to this person so I didn't witness their behaviour.
Ample opportunity was given for people to speak and this person didn't even attempt it.
Megan, Joan and the woman from the Vancouver women's library (can't remember her name) were all great. It was also good to see MSPs from a range of parties there and getting involved.
I do know there were people from women's aid services there. Not just the one women who spoke up, who were listening intently and agreeing with a lot of what was said.
Its clear this person only attended after being called out by Joan when they tried to accuse her of not inviting them and their intention was to mock and lie about this to make themselves the victim.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/05/2019 13:47

It MUST be peaking MSPs though.

If they read what MM says, what James Morton says and then what MW says - well, one of them is reasonable and articulate, one is dogmatic and one is simpering.

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ThePankhurstConnection · 23/05/2019 12:06

I wasn't there but this reaction made me so frustrated. The reports of this person (who runs a refuge) tittering and eye rolling through women discussing their fears and issues with male violence and concerns that the way legislation is going they will be exposed to opportunists is actually a bit frightening. This refuge is near me, thank goodness I have never needed it, I know I wouldn't feel listened to by this person if I had to.

To sit there and not even contribute or try to listen and consider another view and then to belittle it on SM having had no input whatsoever is a cowardly cheap shot. I don't care how this person identifies, what they were born as or what they believe this behavior only makes me think they are the last person who should be working with vulnerable women who need to be respected, listened to and believed because they have shown they won't even try to do that in a professional capacity. I thought I was jaded and beyond 'repeaking' after all these years. Turns out I was wrong, I'm at the top looking out on the desolate landscape of identity politics all over again.

Sillydoggy · 23/05/2019 11:51

The bbc Scotland radio reporting was almost unbiased! They have been letting Megan’s words do the talking for them.

Genderfreelass · 23/05/2019 11:50

Oh is she that one Bernard Grin

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/05/2019 11:45

Gosh, that BBC write up is a lot better than I expected. Great quotes from Meghan (Murphy, not Markle)

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/05/2019 11:42

Wasn’t Mridul the one who tweeted JM asking for an invitation to the ‘Megan Markle’ meeting? Grin

Sillydoggy · 23/05/2019 11:39

Here is the bbc write up.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48366184

Genderfreelass · 23/05/2019 11:34

Sounds like it went well. Glad cross party members attended.

Betty lol sounds like Mridar made a right tot if them self Grin

bettybeans · 23/05/2019 11:16

As far as I can tell/read nothing happened other than speakers putting their points across very well and Mridul making a bit of a tit of herself sniggering and glaring and basically behaving like a petulant teenager. None of the people who were there recognise her account of events (including Joan) and have taken her to task on it. Meanwhile there's a whole bunch of creeps getting their morning woke cookies with the daily "OMG that sounds awful! Can't believe they made you sit through that! Must have been actual literal torture!" etc etc like she was dragged there kicking and screaming, pinned down and given a million paper cuts rather than her actually asking for an invitation, turning up and behaving like a dick while people made perfectly reasonable points about women's rights. What a drama queen. God they're tiresome.

JackyHolyoake · 23/05/2019 11:01

This may be pertinent here:

Meghan Murphy in the Scottish Parliament
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/05/2019 10:56

Boom. Joan is brilliant.

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 23/05/2019 10:54

So pleased this went well

EweSurname · 23/05/2019 10:07

Joan McAlpine on fine form as usual, responding to Wadhwa

Joan McAlpine
‏*@JoanMcAlpine*
Replying to @mridul_wadhwa
Sorry you feel that way, esp as you were so keen to attend. I don't recall anyone discussing you and you didn't speak. But Seven Hex, a transwoman who attended, made a very considered contribution which was warmly received

I am surprised someone like yourself with such seniority in the VAW sector laughed at women discussing male power & women's boundaries, in a considered way - often saying how difficult it was because they did not wish to split progressive movements.
The audience included a Women's Aid worker who said single sex spaces are important. I am glad reps from official women's organisations accepted my invitation. Hopefully we can step that up in to become a constructive discussion with women who have concerns

Popchyk · 23/05/2019 10:07

Glad it went really well.

Yes, very worrying that someone consistently puts themselves and their own interests before women's interests. And won't consider any points raised.

Illuminating actually. Tells you a lot about a person.

Precisely the reason why single-sex spaces should be single-sex.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/05/2019 10:03

Did Becky Kauffman go to the meeting, then?

Am delighted some of you were there. And quite jealous.

Amazing progress - being in the same room as the TRA (which I regard MW as being) and them having nothing to say, no counter arguments (apart from, "waaaaah, this is not what I WANT") is very powerful.

Thank you for going and standing up for women.

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truthisarevolutionaryact · 23/05/2019 10:02

There's an article in the Times allegedly wanting trans people and feminists to work together (as long as feminists first abandon all concerns about safeguarding of children and the eradication of women's rights) Comply....comply...comply...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-people-and-feminists-should-be-working-together-thdfslkz3?shareToken=d0d305184e75fddf3dc9343e5492b683