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Universal Credit hardship linked to prostitution.

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HelenaDove · 22/05/2019 15:51

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/22/universal-credit-hardship-linked-to-prostitution

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HelenaDove · 12/06/2019 21:19

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/12/universal-credit-delays-a-factor-in-prostitution-government-accepts?fbclid=IwAR0pQPwayDHZ1A0O-w69aXhmezSv8ZRUJ0E7pzxy2v8-fG7TZTdA_jFMvNU

The government has dropped its hardline refusal to accept that destitution caused by five-week waits for universal credit payments has been a major factor in forcing some women to turn to sex work.

Giving evidence to the work and pensions select committee, the minister for family support, Will Quince, apologised for a memo his department sent to the committee last month and said it “did not very well reflect my views on this issue”.

The memo dismissed evidence that universal credit was a cause of increased numbers of women turning to sex work as anecdotal. It said the phenomenon was influenced by a range of factors, from drug addiction and the rise of AirBnB to EU immigration.

Quince told the committee he had changed his views after hearing accounts from four women who gave evidence of how impoverishment related to universal credit issues had led them to take up escort and brothel work.

“Those very brave testimonies of the young women who have gone through the most horrific of experiences gave me a better understanding through their lived experiences. What it showed me more than anything is we need to better understand this area,” he said.

A transcript of the private committee hearing in May included a testimony from M, a brothel worker. She said the fact that drug and alcohol drove people into survival sex workdid not mean that universal credit had not caused “a really big influx”.
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She said: “It is particularly bad with universal credit because we have seen these huge waits, but the whole welfare system is stacked against us and it is pushing people into survival sex work.

“It is the long wait, it is the payments in particular that I think are really dangerous because when we apply for things like this we are in crisis already, like we don’t have the ability to wait, and sex work is the only real job you can go out and earn money that night.

T, a care worker, who went into escort work after using food banks during a six-week wait for her first universal credit payment, said: “It is horrible to say, but it is the easiest thing to keep us girls alive.”

Another witness, K, said she had worked out she would be £200 a month worse off on universal credit. “I will sell my body. I want to tell this committee that there are a lot of girls out there just like me,” she said.

The committee also heard an unexpectedly positive, if qualified, endorsement of the recent report by the UN rapporteur Philip Alston, who last month called austerity cuts the “systematic immiseration of a significant part of the British population”.

Amber Rudd, the work and pensions secretary, responded at the time by saying the report was politically biased. She alleged that Alston did not do enough research, having only visiting the UK for 11 days, and said the government would complain to the UN.

Donna Ward, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) senior civil servant responsible for children, families and disadvantage, told the committee chair, Frank Field, that it had fact-checked Alston’s report, which had in passing referred to a rise in survival sex.

“He made a lot of good points. It was factually correct,” she said. “I think where the secretary of state took issue with it, and where I as a civil servant can’t be involved, was the political interpretation of a lot of what’s happened.

But in terms of the facts, in terms of austerity, cuts to local government, in terms of the reliance that we have on the labour market and the risks we face if there is a recession – all of those things were really good points that we have taken on board, and we should take on board.”

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HelenaDove · 28/05/2019 19:59

inews.co.uk/interactive/universal_credit#main-page-section-0

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Bebstar123 · 27/05/2019 17:29

Helena,

She was definitely on a better path. She had frequent contact with her relatives and occasional, supervised contact with one of her children. She also had a social worker and access to rehab services. She's ADHD so keeping her on that path was never going to be easy, but the disruption and her going off radar due to her eviction and subsequent housing issues was just terrible.

*Since making my initial post, I texted her mum for updates. Apparently she turned up in hospital last week, but unfortunately walked out before any care plan could be put in place.

HelenaDove · 27/05/2019 16:51

Bebstar it sounds to me like she was getting closer to getting completely away from it................until UC Sad

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magicBrenda · 27/05/2019 16:45

I know a sex worker. Was one of my best friends in my teens. She joined an escort agency whilst she was living at with her parents in her very comfortable home. She encouraged me to do it although I passed that invitation up. It was just wanting money and not wanting to go down the 9-5 route.

She know owns a escort agency. Her long time partner helps her run it but I don’t know if she actually did it. She’s quite well off.

Bebstar123 · 27/05/2019 16:38

I know two prostitutes, one of them is constantly in my thoughts as she's basically the poster girl for these type of sanctions. A smack addict, pushed into prostitution by her dealer/pimp boyfriend, kids taken away, mentally ill with learning disabilities. About 2 years ago she at least had a flat, was contactable and was doing slightly safer work online. She suddenly found herself being evicted, and no landlord would give her the time of day because she relied on Universal credit. Cue a downward spiral of street walking, physical assult and rape. We haven't heard from her in a while, her dad frequently tries to find her, though he has to contend with people assuming he's a John which makes it even more difficult.

She was a very fragile woman teetering on the edge and universal credit fucked her over it. I will never forgive this government for this, though I'm not so naive to believe that this shit hasn't been happening forever.

HelenaDove · 27/05/2019 16:10

"how is this news"

well i could go on the trans threads on here and ask this on every one

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HelenaDove · 27/05/2019 16:05

IM FUCKIING AWARE THAT A LEG WAX IS A LUXURY. i DO FIND IT STRANGE THOUGH THAT SOMEONE GOING THROUGH POVERTY MISSED THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS PLACED ON WOMEN VERSUS THE ECONOMIC REALITY AND THE DENIAL OF IT

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HelenaDove · 27/05/2019 16:02

JESUS FUCKING WEPT I WASNT CAMPAIGNING TO DO THAT CHECK MY POSTING HISTORY. I WAS A SEX CHATLINE WORKER FFS . IN THE EARLY 2000S MY CHOICE WAS THAT OR WORKFARE.

I POSTED A NEW THREAD BECAUSE I COULDNT FIND THE OLD ONES ON UC THAT ON THIS BOARD.

ENDING THE POVERTY IS WHAT IS NEEDED.

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rosesandcashmere · 27/05/2019 01:40

Also a leg wax is a luxury.
A leg shave is not.

rosesandcashmere · 27/05/2019 01:39

@helenadove how is this news?! It's been going on since the dawn of time. Let's not campaign to take people's livelihoods away eh? No matter how much you feel it isn't socially acceptable

HelenaDove · 27/05/2019 01:27

You seemed to miss the point i was making about womens economic reality. i wasnt suggesting a career change into escort work.

I just thought it strange that you totally missed the point when you claim to be going through these issues yourself.

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Abbazed · 26/05/2019 19:21

I haven't considered prostitution

Abbazed · 26/05/2019 19:21

What?

HelenaDove · 25/05/2019 14:39

Abbazed your last post does make me wonder about your previous ones.

Strange that you should miss the point when you are going through it yourself.

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Abbazed · 25/05/2019 14:20

If you can't afford a leg was shave...

Abbazed · 25/05/2019 14:20

The cot bed broke this morning :'(

HelenaDove · 25/05/2019 00:19

Meanwhile on another thread we have got women laughing and taking the piss that other women cant afford a leg wax

There is a big denial and minimization of womens economic reality going on.

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traceyracer · 24/05/2019 23:28

IMO this is what happens when you vote the Tories into power. They only care about the 1% (top bankers, lawyers etc) and everyone else is meant to just fend for themselves.

Re the issue of women selling sex because they need the money, rather than focus on the prostitution itself the focus should be on the root of the problem ie poverty. If poverty were addressed then that would stop women going into prostitution in the first place because they needed money.

If you think the Government cares about poverty then have a look at this link:

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/14-mps-turn-up-to-discuss-un-report-on-14-million-people-living-in-poverty/

Abbazed · 24/05/2019 22:29

Never cons prostitution...they'd pay me to keep my clothes on...

Abbazed · 24/05/2019 22:28

The cots broken as her 3 yo brother is a huge Tigger fan and she adores him so he bounces she giggles so he bounces more...loud crack... He needs a toddler bed and I can't afford it lol its £35. Then the mattress.

Abbazed · 24/05/2019 22:25

It's ok. I could understand if it was half tc so 30. But zero...£13 doesn't buy much.

HelenaDove · 24/05/2019 20:43

If this had been featured as a storyline in a dystopian drama (similar to Years and Years) in the late 80s or early 90s ppl would not have taken it seriously.

oh wait...............it has.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/streamed_tv/3567778-BBC-1977-78-dystopian-drama-1990-1984-SIX-Written-by-Wilfred-Greatorexx

The first episode features a disability assessment This drama was made in the 1970s.

scarce housing is in there too!

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HelenaDove · 24/05/2019 20:25

Abbazed im so sorry. That is utter shit. Thanks

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