Karen Ingala Smith in Parliament now on single sex refuges

yep R0, listen at 10:17 ish...

(Karen has a great habit of putting her hand up when she wants to add something disagree )

(there's been loads of twaddle about lesbians and how they don't experience male violence but female violence...)

KIS: 2 lesbians killed in the Femicide census data - but by men (one ex partner, one a new partner of the woman's ex female partner)

Jess Philips has - playing Devil's Advocate - asked whether there should be specific services for LGBT, or maybe just T people.

Diana James (who runs male and female refuges and also has a trans history) has said, after long pause... no, there wouldn't be demand and there have been no issues with their approach.

Interestingly, DJ thinks all refuges should be transinclusive in future, but in her refuges no GRC is required, only post-op transwomen are in main women's refuge. Pre op transwomen are in a special annexe.

Sarah Campion has asked for more consideration of what survivors want.

DJ "A transwomen wants to go into a women's refuge"

Sarah Campion: "I'm talking about all the people accessing it"

DJ: "Refuges have to be inclusive of all women and all men"

KIS: That's not true - if a refuge admits women and males who identify as transgender then it is in fact admitting women and men. It's a legal fiction - but people will remain of the sex are born".

KIS: I want to talk about proportionality - I agree with what Diana said, that we are talking about small numbers...

KIS

Note on the last - in her experience, transgender people, born male, who are fetishists of female victimhood have been offered services by female only refuge.

My assessment - most of the MPs are presenting carefully prepped questions which allow Karen to say how bad it is:

Karen's confirmed they've had one transwoman employee who flashed female team members,

A chief executive of another women's refuge was asked to give evidence - she contacted Karen to say she was too scared to give evidence because of the flack

The two boroughs: in one a funder said she was less keen to fund because of Nia (KI-S's organisation) policy, and in another a council bod called them extreme feminists.

Pressure is to provide men's services, but also include all trans people in gender of choice.

In risk assessment, Karen's pointing out the impossibility of quickly assessing whether a transwoman has experienced men's violence and unpicked their male socialisation - transgender people born male who are fetishists of female victimhood, or men pretending to be trans who are perpetrators using that status to hunt down women.