Teenaged victim of a grooming gang was arrested 5 times

Yes, we all know it is a man problem. But are you saying that, as another thread said, that "men will always rape women"? Is it not true that violence against women and girls is currently increasing? Is it not the case that certain areas of the country are worse for it than others?

If we don't accept that 'men will always rape women', if we agree that male behaviour is variable, then we need to look at other factors that affect that male behaviour. Specifically, cultural factors. This is not about "race": it is about the learned behaviour that is treated as acceptable in different cultures. And yes, native British men have a lot to answer for: but we are importing problems too.

"But come on, do you really believe that gangs of white men have never groomed and abused children?"

Not in the UK, and certainly not on this scale. Can you give an example where 1400 white girls were abused by 100's of white men in a co-ordinated manner?
Certain other points you make are frankly insulting. Why would I want all Asian people ejected from the country?

The girls in Rotherham were prostituted so it's highly likely there were white buyers for them too.

"Anne Cryer didn’t challenge white grooming - I don’t believe she saw any"

I do not believe it existed, certainly not on the scale which we are now aware of in Rochdale, Rotherham, Telford, Newcastle etc, where many thousands of young girls (mainly white) were groomed and abused by many hundreds (at least) men from one community.
Yes, it was men responsible for these horrific acts, but it wasn't all men.
Yes, it was the police who were largely responsible for victim blaming, but also social services, and probably some politicians.
Just like the transgender movement today, this was a political hot potato which nobody wanted to touch for fear of being burnt.
Sarah Champion was forced to resign from the shadow cabinet because she spoke out about it, and ironically Sajid Javid was heavily criticised for openly questioning why it was ONE community which was responsible for these acts.

There is a theme building which I think is wrong (happy t be challenged or corrected) Anne Cryer didn’t challenge white grooming - I don’t believe she saw any - and people think the times newspaper has not gone hard enough on trans issues - I believe they are leading GC thought in the MSM - there is an old truism - the left spend their time looking for traitors - the right look for covnverts - please can we not waste time looking for traitors or people who dont fully align with our views - it’s wasted time energy and effort

It said Cassie was suing the council who were supposed to have cared for her. I hope she gets a big payout and that will make them learn some lessons.

It seems like nothing changes. I remember reading about Saville getting away with abusing the girls in a children's home because they were "bad girls." When will those in power learn?

You don't build trust by arresting a victim. That's total bullshit Pam. She was thirteen.

If you read the article she was saved by being put in foster care hundreds of miles away from her home where all this was happening.

How long do you think it takes to overcome grooming, coercive control and Stockholm syndrome?

The immature child victims were groomed by the "boyfriend model" where they felt loved and valued by a particular man. They would do anything to protect him and wouldn't hear any criticism because he was the one good thing in their lives.

Arresting the children for a criminal offence meant that you had 12 -24 hours to break through - earn trust, show kindness, show empathy, persuade, cajole and even intimate that they could be in trouble themselves - anything to try and overcome the silence, the refusals, the glares and hostility.

How long do you think it took to get the first one to explore her treatment as abuse, as rape, as coercion, as exploitation and to begin to tell her story? How long do you think that it took to persuade these children to tell their stories in the full glare of a courtroom, and under cross examination?

How far do you think the police would have got in prosecuting the abusers, without the full cooperation of brave children who let down their barriers?

Answer: A few convictions for 'harbouring a runaway' or other minor offences, possibly. A few cases thrown out of court for lack of evidence, possibly. Instead, after months and years of complex investigations involving networks of travelling abusers and brainwashed children, the perps are serving lengthy prison sentences for the most serious offences.

People think it's easy to overcome a complex package of grooming plus coercive control plus Stockholm syndrome in a child. People think its just a question of locking up the perpetrator without knowing the details of what has occured, where and with whom.

If only. I wish.

The police up there wtf. Institutionalised sexism.

A lot of men believe it's some women's (and girls') destiny to be prostitutes.

when she was seen at the age of 13 getting into an abuser’s car with another girl she was arrested on suspicion of facilitating a child sex offence

How on earth was this not flagged? Thirteen for goodness sake. Why aren't they doing something about training the police properly to investigate rape and abuse instead of letting them rely on the same old woman and girl hating stereotypes?

Good point Jessica - race becomes salient if due to other political decisions (in this case a left wing tendency to excuse perps on the grounds that they come from a group which genuinely is on the receiving end of prejudice themselves) give that group a teflon coating.

There are lots of forms this teflon coating can take - celebs doing good work for charity, priests doing "God's work", sports coaches so dedicated to helping a new generation of sports stars. .. Lots of teflon, lots of victim blaming, precious little attention to the real issues.

a contingent fact of who happens to have won the gang turf war in that area

Also on employment patterns. In the Asian on street grooming cases: fast food shops (recruitment) and cabs (transport, communication).

Race was a confounding factor in Rotherham, but men sexually preying on female children is not, and never has been a race issue

Yes. Like grooming of vulnerable, usually working class, girls hasn't been going on since forever. My social worker aunt was dealing with it in the 1970s and none of the perps were Asian.

The truth is that nobody gives a shit about girls. Unless there's something else in it for them. So when the grooming is organised by an "othered" group. you can make a fuss about it all of a sudden. And pretend no other penis owners from all the other groups have been implicated for donkeys years.

It's a man problem, not a race problem

Very definitely true, it’s not specific to race whatsoever. However, sometimes it factors into it if people are too afraid to speak out for fear of the racism label. It happens with a lot of issues around violence and sexual violence. In NZ where I’m from, we have had a similar problem with child abuse being covered up in Māori communities, I’m Māori myself and in that case it was more about being afraid to be honest about the problem because Māori endure so much racism we didn’t want to tell anyone we had a problem for fear of increased racist stereotypes. Now we have a situation with nobody wanting to be honest about other Pacific Islanders who relocate to NZ and the high incidence of violence. I even read an article the other day in NZ about our serious DV issue which claimed violence against women wasn’t a Māori thing and was ‘introduced’ by colonialism. That ignores the fact that Māori men sold their women, by force, to British and Irish soldiers as sex slaves in exchange for muskets. Violence is as much a part of Polynesian history as any other race. For me as a mixed race person, I find it far more racist to hold people of colour to different standards, as if we aren’t capable of being decent human beings.

Exactly Bernard - as one of the links to Lisa M's pages points out, the racial makeup of the gang perpetrating the rapes is purely a contingent fact of who happens to have won the gang turf war in that area. In my rural, Conservative voting part of the country, friends in social services tell me we have a massive problem with sex trafficking and organised rape of teens. But perpetrated by white gangs simply because it happens to be a very white bit of the country.

It's a man problem, not a race problem.

Why is it always Labour strongholds?

LangCleg

From the LM article
"As happened in Keighley, when Ann Cryer MP, decided to flush the work being done down the toilet and christen this a race issue."

Thank god for people like Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion, who realised that this was and is still, very much a race issue and a very specific one at that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

Oh, and:

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2014/08/30/statement-from-my-first-manager-and-practice-teacher-about-grooming-was-manager-at-keighley-office-bradford-metropolitan-district-council-where-i-was-also-employed/

Bernard - Lisa M on this:

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/shocking-gang-rape-liverpool-bradford-wherever-read-our-coverage-for-details/

How horrific this is. There are no words for my anger right now. West Yorkshire police are shameful.