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Sharron Davies on Hardtalk with Steven Sackur

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sabinaapplecross · 20/05/2019 05:15

discussing the issue of fairness in sport

she very cleverly clarifies the Caster Semenya 46xy issue and also discusses Dr Rachel Mckinnon ( Dr philosophy)

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csy97q

She stands her ground and expresses her points well

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tothefareast80 · 21/05/2019 00:58

Just listening to this now. Wow, Sharron was so impressive. Incredibly well prepared, facts at her fingers tips, and really highlighted the essential facts that have been so lacking in this debate. I love that she called out the BBC on its lack of clarity in relation to Semenya's condition.

Sparkyduchess · 20/05/2019 23:23

Sharron was brilliant, just outstanding.

Her explanation of the minute differences between elite sportswomen, and the enormous differences between elite men and women was fantastic, just unarguable.

FannyCann · 20/05/2019 23:15

I don’t know much about sport but this might be the first time a cyclist has scored an own goal.

GrinGrinGrin

Maybe McKinnon is in the wrong sport. Wink

MissEyre · 20/05/2019 22:35

It was worthy of study.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 20/05/2019 21:29

Oh Sharron was so good!! Well done.

borntobequiet · 20/05/2019 20:36

Where do they find these pompous numpties? Sharron was brilliant.

allmywhat · 20/05/2019 20:34

part 2... oh my god.. the repeated use of "Do you understand?" I really want to smack this guy. I shouldn't have posted my above comment till I was sure I wouldn't want to rant any more!

Sharron Davies was totally on top of all the numbers and the facts and she managed to get them all out even with the mansplainer talking all over her. How brilliant.

And then he has the cheek to accuse her of "cynicism" about transwomen's motives. FFS they've just been discussing the ridiculous Rachel M, how could anyone not be cynical about Rachel McKinnon?

Oh my god, I love Sharron Davies, give her her own show. And I hate that presenter dude. Give Sharron his show!

Westfacing · 20/05/2019 20:32

I heard the interview overnight on the World Service - Sharron was brilliant!

She never once faltered and was so in control of the facts - wasted as an occasional sports presenter.

I was very impressed.

allmywhat · 20/05/2019 20:25

WTF was that bit in the beginning where he tried to accuse her of being an "insider" who was somehow complicit in doping scandals? And then she explained that the BBC hadn't allowed her to ask the relevant questions and he quickly said "Well, never mind the BBC!" 😃

And "you seem to believe..." literally mansplaining to Sharron Davies what she thinks. Holy shit. What an arse. I probably shouldn't listen to the BBC, I kind of want to write an angry letter right now.

Whatdoyouknowwhenyouknownowt · 20/05/2019 20:09

On again now on the World Service.

AlwaysComingHome · 20/05/2019 19:43

Cheers me up so immensely that her and Martina have both been prepared to address the issue where they are experts and can see that it is not fair.

And thanks should go to McKinnon for taking on Martina and making this an issue the media could no longer ignore.

I don’t know much about sport but this might be the first time a cyclist has scored an own goal.

jhuizinga · 20/05/2019 19:10

I've just watched. Sharron was so good! It's the best coverage of the topic that I've seen so far despite the rather annoying interviewer - all down to Sharron's complete grasp of the facts and the issues.

OrchidInTheSun · 20/05/2019 18:50

ThinkWitty - that was the whole point of the ruling: that Semenya is 46XY. So was never, will never be, a woman.

Oddly, the BBC decided to gloss over this fact. I heard a trail for a Dr Adam Rutherford thing on R4 this week where he is talking about scientific advances and whether trans women should compete against women. There's a sound clip from a bloke saying 'should we bar Usain Bolt from competing because he's got really long legs?'

I don't know who he is but I was infuriated

ThePurportedDoctoress · 20/05/2019 18:47

Loved it when she challenged Sackur to say (and he didn't) that Caster Samenya was 46XY. And she pointed out the BBC's total failure to state this fact in their reporting.

And she didn't apologise for stating facts - so refreshing! Not only does Sharron know what she is talking about, she doesn't feel the need to preface every statement with an apology. She is all about protecting girls' and women's sports.

callmekalinda · 20/05/2019 18:43

Sharron Davies. Absolute legend. Epitomising the true meaning of brave and stunning. She wiped the floor with him.

ThinkWittyThoughts · 20/05/2019 18:32

OMG Caster is 46XY?!!!?

This does change everything.

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NellieEllie · 20/05/2019 18:31

She was great. Felt like cheering. Taking no prisoners.

ChristinaBB · 20/05/2019 18:31

I watched this in the early hours and Sharon was amazing. I haven’t really seen her interviewed before - so impressive not letting SS get anything past her even though he kept interrupting and talking over her.
I might hatch it again as sound was muted.

MadamBatty · 20/05/2019 18:22

I sent the broadcast to a friend. She played sport at an amateur level & still coaches.

So disappointed, she relied about women born in women’s bodies & how CS is a gender non conforming woman. Sigh.

FleetsumNJetsum · 20/05/2019 18:16

Loved it when she challenged Sackur to say (and he didn't) that Caster Samenya was 46XY. And she pointed out the BBC's total failure to state this fact in their reporting. Clarifying how Caster would have been accurately identified as XY as a baby if she had been born in the UK

Talking to DH just now about the interview and recounted this bit, and DH was stunned. He had no idea CS was 46XY, as SD puts it. DH is well read, keeps up with the news and the issues and prides himself on getting the issues right. "This changes everything!" he said. How many other people think CS is a grey area because the BBC's reporting guidelines allow them to believe CS is XX with issues??

SomeDyke · 20/05/2019 18:07

She really did hit all the key points. So, the percentages, the study on only 8 non-elite athletes........but the 46XY issue, you can see why she was such a brilliant competitor.

Cheers me up so immensely that her and Martina have both been prepared to address the issue where they are experts and can see that it is not fair.

Facts, figures, percentages -- how small a shift could destroy female sport.

MissEyre · 20/05/2019 18:03

does anyone else now want to be Sharron Davies when they grow up?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 20/05/2019 18:00

Yes, I loved her pointing out the BBC’s biased reporting of the Caster Semenya case

OrchidInTheSun · 20/05/2019 17:55

Sharron totally knocked that out of the park.

I'm in awe of her skills across the board - an amazing athlete AND enormously articulate!

And I loved the 'doctor of philosophy' line. Grin

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