Ruth Hunt - ‘men will always rape women’

That leaped out at me too. “Men will always rape women”. Presumably her argument continues... “so let’s make it easy for them, and open up whole new opportunities...”. Just vile.

I'm only surprised Hunt didn't resort to the tried and trusted 'So you're saying all transwomen are rapists, then?' line I've seen so often in this issue.

That she singularly fails to see or admit that it's about women's rights to safety and privacy - and that predatory men are predatory men and they'll use any means available to predate - shows her up for the cynical TRA mercenary she's become.

So let's encourage them by telling them that it's all perfectly ok and legitimate for them to do that?

If this is what our august leaders really think of women, then why should women support them? We need an alternative - we need to set up that crone island.

Men are always going to rape women.

So lets make this easier, rather than do everything possible to stop it

Ugh, shes awful, really awful. Just does not care about women one bit. Many many things will always happen but we try to avoid them as much as possible. Like, some people will have accidents crossing the road, so why bother with crossings? Its just such a stupid view, but I am not surprised, most of the nonsense she comes out with is just daft.

It’s to do with where we are as a society now – which is increased polarisation, falling away from the centre

Thanks for contributing to the polarization of society Hunt.

I think you'll find that Stonewall's radical TRA agenda which sought to suppress debate, which advocated to have (probably gay) children drugged and sliced to fit into retrograde sexist stereotypes of what it is to be male or female, goes a VERY long way to pitting those who give two fucks about children's and women's rights against those who support your confused and lost male sexual rights movement.

You wont be forgotten quickly.

When someone says they’re gay, we don’t go: ‘Well, have you done anything gay? How gay?’”

Errr, bi people get that a lot

It’s to do with where we are as a society now – which is increased polarisation, falling away from the centre

In any discussion involving TRAs that I've seen they are actively encouraging that. Calm, coherent points are met with abuse and name calling.

stealthsquirrelnutkin they do say that Psychopaths either become serial killers or leaders of industry. It’s easy to see how a lack of moral scruples and indifference to other people’s suffering could be beneficial if you want to get ahead in business....

‘Men will always rape women’

• which is why it’s important that they are kept out of spaces where women are changing/sleeping/recovering from sexual or domestic violence/in prison

She makes a great argument for keeping women only spaces

There are a lot of concerns raised about Stonewall on here.

Have any complaints been submitted to the Charities Commision?

“Men are always going to rape women."

She gives zero fucks about women doesn't she? So utterly contemptuous and dismissive about women's suffering.

I hope she faces the full understanding of this one day and that it burns her inside.

I doubt she will though, she seems to be spectacularly unpleasant and self-centred. Those types never seem to suffer the burden of thinking or consciences.

Perhaps David Icke isn't quite as bonkers as we though? Maybe his theory about a ruling class of lizard people was just his way of trying to make sense of how some people are completely cold hearted and lacking in empathy, and those are the people who rise to the top in all power structures?

I confess I haven't read his stuff, so I'm only guessing based on things other people have written about him. But having seen the way GC ideas are misrepresented in the media I can't help wondering if his ideas are being filtered through the same distorting lens?

I have no plans to visit his website and plough through his videos and articles. Men do love to blather on, at my age I just can't be arsed listening to them.

Some people can be so incredibly cruel, it seems the suffering of others does not bother them at all. They know exactly what they are doing, but they just don't care. People like Ruth throwing lesbians and women under the bus for her own career advancement, and all those politicians gladly parroting the TWAW mantra and ignoring distressed constituents begging for their help in protecting single sex spaces.

They look like ordinary humans, they pass as human, but they are mystifyingly lacking in human empathy. The idea that they are really cold blooded lizard aliens disguised in human form works as a very satisfying metaphor.

Things that will also happen:
• Theft
• Murder
• Wars
• Pollution
• Fraud
• Cancer
Should we all stop bothering about those too?

Thing is, with that sentence she actually says the truth. But then spends the rest of the article refusing to acknowledge it. But she says it, so she knows it's correct. Headdesk.

If the rape and assault rates are lower here than in some other parts of the world, this is because women have achieved greater protections under the law and in practice. When those protections are broken down - wherever in the world and for whatever reason - women suffer.

Absolutely.

There is big money in removing women's rights.
Get over it.

Great post, Mammelo.

OK so this has officially enraged me. In my grandmothers village in sub-saharan Africa those villagers who can't afford a toilet go to either the women's erosion gully or the men's to do their business. And woe betide if you get it wrong. The point is that everywhere and in all time periods women and men have segregated themselves for privacy, dignity and protection. I just can't understand how people like this Ruth Hunt can think its ok NOT to segregate on sex in the UK but probably mixes with those trendy people who DO support it in 'less developed' countries. Is there something special about the West whereby all its men are only the nice kind? No. If the rape and assault rates are lower here than in some other parts of the world, this is because women have achieved greater protections under the law and in practice. When those protections are broken down - wherever in the world and for whatever reason - women suffer.

It pisses me off that charities are held up to the public as "saintly" as if they should unquestioningly be admired and listen to. They suit their own purposes and are frequently interested in making vast amounts of money. Those that succeed are the ones that are heard the most. Many times they have been proven to be dodgy. But have a veneer of ultimate authority.

Anyabike on twitter has tweeted about how she had conversations with Ruth before she became CEO of Stonewall and basically Ruth doesn’t actually believe the TWAW shit (and to be fair I don’t think anyone of reasonable intelligence does) but has jumped on this to further her career. Shows you what people will do for money.

It is such an irritating dismissal - one which I have heard as a rebuttal to the reason for sex segregated spaces. For me it always seems to have an unsaid addition 'men will always rape women' ...

'...so why not make it easier for them to do it rather than harder.' Because that is what this amounts to isn't it?

It's a bit of an erm, 'intellectually stupid' position to take imo.

She's mendacious

Don’t talk to me about self-ID – I’ve spent my life being told I’m not woman enough.

Trust me Ruth, go to a country where women aren't allowed to vote or access education, or go out without a male escort and you will be 'woman enough'.

If Stonewall announced that, having attained full rights for homosexuals in the UK, it felt it’s job was done, that would be a success.

I think that as Janice Turner said in her recent Times article on women's rights, it will be a game of 'whacamole' for a while yet. There are still plenty of countries that don't recognise gay marriage, (Not fully recognised in the UK yet), the major religions still regard gay relationships as sinful - at best they just try to ignore them - see C of E, and I think there is always a danger of prejudice against relationships that can't produce children. We don't have an under population problem now, but look abroad to see how pressure can be put on women to have babies and young people to settle into heterosexual relationships.

However, dealing with those problems means standing up for rights regardless of identity, and that really isn't what Stonewall is about any more.

Through education about consent and bringing up our men better, we can hope to do better but ultimately you can’t control everyone’s upbringings and motivations therefore you’ll never completely stop it.

And in situations where women are particularly vulnerable - e.g. hostels, prisons, hospitals - you reduce the likelihood of rape with sex segregation.

There are ways to sensitively accommodate the needs of trans women, but what is being demanded is the right to self identify as female in all situations, which effectively makes the exclusions in the equality act that allow sex segregation meaningless.

The success of an organisation isn’t how much it has grown but how much it has made itself no longer necessary.

This.