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Dr Mike Webberley suspended

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Brighterf · 18/05/2019 07:06

Seems like Dr Mike Webberley has now also been suspended and he and his wife now plan to take their services overseas. Can't see this reported elsewhere yet though.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/mike-webberley-suspended-trans-kids/

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OldCrone · 21/05/2019 11:33

As far as I can see, all their other businesses are UK registered.

They seem to be, but who knows if they have other offshore registered companies. The Belize one is linked to one of their UK companies on the Companies House site, and is also declared on the Gender GP website. Without those links it would not have been obvious that they had a Belize-based company.

The link from the Dubai article goes to MyWebDoctor, so you'd assume that if that referred to the UK company, that some money might be flowing in and out of it. But on the Companies House site, that company is listed as active, but all the accounts are for a 'dormant' company, with no money going through it. So I assume that if she made any money in Dubai or elsewhere it was also going through an offshore company.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 21/05/2019 11:20

This particular operation seems to have been a way to make money from NHS prescriptions, selling the drugs on to customers in the USA who would normally pay a lot more for them.

How entrepreneurial of them. Or maybe they just really, really wanted to help patients in the USA Hmm .

ThePurportedDoctoress · 21/05/2019 11:15

The timing of the Belize venture is significant though. Mike W's hearing was on 8 April, and they acquired the Belize company on 17 April. As far as I can see, all their other businesses are UK registered.

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 11:10

I just did a search to try to find out when the Webberleys started this money-making operation, and I found this from October 7, 2014.

bangordailynews.com/2014/10/07/health/british-pharmacy-chain-launches-online-drugstore-for-maine-consumers/

This particular operation seems to have been a way to make money from NHS prescriptions, selling the drugs on to customers in the USA who would normally pay a lot more for them.

The Maine Pharmacy Association, joined by the Retail Association of Maine, highlighted U.K. regulations that prohibit U.K. pharmacists from supplying medicines for prescriptions based in the U.S.

“Great British Drug Store is violating both U.S. and U.K. laws,” the groups said in a statement Wednesday.

O’Brien said both U.S. and U.K. legal counsel consulted with U.K. regulators and have signed off on the operation. Customers must fill out a health questionnaire on the site, which will be reviewed by a U.K. physician with 20 years of experience, Dr. Helen Webberley. If Webberley finds no problems, she will recreate each prescription for the U.K., O’Brien said.

“Patients are legally allowed to import, we’re legally allowed to export, we’re legally allowed to dispense,” O’Brien said.

By selling medications to Mainers at prices patients pay in Britain — which negotiates drug costs under the publicly funded National Health Service — Great British Drugstore can offer steep discounts, O’Brien said.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 10:50

Doctoress, yes but the Gulf mole stuff dates back to 2015. I would have thought it credible that on one of his visits to a local hospital someone alerted him to their concerns about online GPs, and their home grown example. Maybe in the trans context, but perhaps elsewhere.

(I read something recently about how easy it was to get prescriptions for opiod painkillers via online pharmacies, and there is no indication on the Clear Chemist website that their on-line doctor limited themselves to gender hormones.)

My guess is still that he fell down a Monmouthshire rabbit hole.

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 10:45

I now think he started by knowing about the Webberleys, who live in his constituency. Rather than follow the money, he started with the money, and then where it came from.

I've been wondering the same thing. Whether it was more than coincidence that the only MP openly speaking out against the trans agenda is the MP for the constituency where the Webberleys are based. All this going on in his back yard must have made him sit up and take notice.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 10:43

Sorry, just looked on a map. Yes, presumably southern parts are now Bristol commuter belt.

Davies' twitter feed gives the impression of rural, even parochial, and with no comments on the rare GC posts. I assume that he is more than aware that he is unlikely to attract ex-labour GC voters anyway. Which raises the question of why he is doing it. I believe him when he says because it is the right thing. But why has he did he go down the rabbit hole?

I am sure that there are plenty of other GC MPs. James Kirkup has said as much. However, as we have seen in the case of Lord Moonie and GC SNPs, accusations of transphobia equate to homophobia (because the T is right there with the LGB) and so effectively political kryptonite.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 21/05/2019 10:40

My further guess, and it is only a guess, is that he started by being aware of the Webberley Belize linked money making machine

It can't be that since the W's didn't acquire their off-the-shelf Belize company until this year.
Maybe David Davies just paid more attention to the issues because his constituency was involved. Or maybe he has dealt with constituents' complaints? I'm thinking of the report Popchyk posted couple of pages back.

Pthagonal · 21/05/2019 10:21

Needmoresleep I'm not sure that you can call the Monmouth constituency Mid Wales. The GC debate is certainly a voter issue for some of us in South East Wales, but we are hampered by usually being in a Labour stronghold. Tactical voting or spoiled ballots seems to be the only way to make dissenting voices heard.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 10:03

I had, but until this thread, had not realised how craven they were. A gastroenterologist trying to sell online mole evaluations in the Gulf, writing online prescriptions for all sorts of ailments, etc.

I respect neither, but assume Susie Green and Mimmymum are believers. Helen GenderGP was with them in lots of the Twitter stuff. I thought she was a believer, and hence a misguided doctor. All those testimonials from grateful transpeople.

I have changed my mind. And assume David Davies got there before me.

BTW I forgot HarrytheOwl from the list of good people at that meeting.

LangCleg · 21/05/2019 09:46

I now think he started by knowing about the Webberleys, who live in his constituency.

Blimey. That is something I had not connected at all.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 09:34

Money, money money.

It looks as if they were GPs for hire all over the place, seeking out any and every quick money making opportunity.

The whole gender rabbit hole is full of surprises, but one oddity for me has been David TC Davies MP for Monmouth. I met him outside the Linda/Venice court hearing, where he was talking easily to life long rad fems, who presumably worked with him to organise the WPUK Millwall replacement meeting in the House of Commons. He has done a lot more: PM Questions, Parliamentary debate etc. and suffered as a result, with complaints against him and a fair amount of abuse. He told me that it was important to do the right thing.

Why did he fall down the rabbit hole, and why was he the only one? Or rather, why was he, out of the many GC MPs in all parties, the only one to stick his head above the parapet and criticise party and Government policy.

I had assumed that the Tories were allowing a dissenting voice in case they needed to reverse ferret quickly. But I now wonder if they are this astute. Alternatively that there had been a ROGD child in his constituency, causing him to read up.

I now think he started by knowing about the Webberleys, who live in his constituency. Rather than follow the money, he started with the money, and then where it came from. Straight into the wokest rabbit hole of all.

His twitter is curious. Reassuringly old fashioned. Lots of Brexit, which clearly loses him no votes at all, and lots of constituency stuff: local primary school, national nurses day at the local hospital, a visit to a local army base, and retweets of work by the Welsh Affairs Committee, giving the impression that he sees his role as, first and foremost, representing his constituents.

There is virtually no GC stuff. No mention of being quoted by Andrew Gilligan in the Sunday Times. Only a retweet of Maya Forstater thanking Lord Moonie for the meeting he organised in the House of Lords, attaching details, which failed to attract any comment.

So:

  1. The GC debate has not translated into a voter issue in mid-Wales, nor I assume other parts of the country. (The problem presumably is that simplistic accusations of being accused of trans/homo-phobia would be a vote loser in most places, enough reason for many MPs to avoid the debate.)
  1. David TC Davies gives the impression of being a hard working constituency MP, who other than Brexit, focuses on issues that affect his constituency. He seems busy. Yet on GRA reform he has done more than all his parliamentary colleagues combined to ensure that the GC voice was heard.

My guess is that his active support is nothing to do with his political position on other issues. (I recall a certain amount of TRA crowing about him being to the right of the Tory party.) My further guess, and it is only a guess, is that he started by being aware of the Webberley Belize linked money making machine, possibly through local health contacts, and then could not buy into the GenderGP/Mermaids/GIRES/Stonewall narrative that was being peddled everywhere: Government, schools, charities, police and and and.

David TC Davies appears to be a good man. The Standing for Women meeting in the House of Lords seems extraordinary. Lord Moonie, Maya Forstater, Posie, Venice, Tanni Grey Thompson, Andrew Gilligan, David Davies, some top ranking medics and more. A far more interesting, principled and diverse group than many a Parliamentary Committee.

I still wonder what he knows.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/05/2019 07:49

I know - but the verbal gymnastics of some people who justify complicated financial management is amazing!

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 07:32

My last post wasn't aimed at you, but at anyone else who might have taken your post at face value. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/05/2019 07:24

I know - I worked in finance for 15 years!

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 07:22

I realise that your comment was tongue in cheek, LordProfFekko, but just in case anyone is in any doubt at all about the nature of a Belize based business, they are investment vehicles for foreigners whose owners are expressly forbidden from doing business with Belizians.

www.worldoffshorebanks.com/10-things-you-need-to-know-about-a-belize-offshore-company.php

It's all about asset protection and not paying tax.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 21/05/2019 07:00

To help poor gender confused Belizians of course.

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 06:47

It's about the money. Of course it is.

Absolutely. Why else does anyone set up a company in Belize?

bettybeans · 21/05/2019 01:10

I might be more inclined to believe the stuff about it being a vocation and labour of love if there weren't quite so many damning comments about the way in which they conduct themselves and their business. And if they hadn't written that blog peppered with claims of institutional transphobia. That too.

And the story about a psychiatric nurse having to confiscate meds. Jesus. No online doctor should be treating someone with a condition requiring psychiatric treatment or the services of a psych nurse. That's ridiculously irresponsible and clearly miles outside their professional capacity or competence.

It's about the money. Of course it is. I'm just sad that some parents and patients feel so desperate they can't see that.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 21/05/2019 00:57

gendergp.co.uk/service-standards/

Bottom of page
"Online Medical Services – by Dr Webberley
GMC no 2620107"

Status on GP register: This person has been suspended from the Medical Register and may not practise as a doctor in the UK.

OldCrone · 21/05/2019 00:29

Also from the clearchemist site:

"Ask the Online Doctor
Not sure what you want or what is wrong? Contact Dr Webberley here and arrange an email, telephone or video consultation.

If you would like a consultant's opinion, then Dr Webberley can arrange a telephone consultation at a time to suit you, or a face to face meeting at a private hospital local to you."

Also:
"Clear Chemist’s online doctor, Dr Webberley, can help you with all of your health concerns. There are a number of ways to contact her and she will aim to answer your queries as soon as she can. ‘Online GP Services LTD’ can prescribe or arrange treatment that can be sent to you through the post or arrange for you to pick it up from one of our pharmacies."

Online GP Services Ltd is one of the Webberleys' companies. 'She' indicates that it is Helen Webberley doing the online consultations and prescribing.

www.clearchemist.co.uk/doctor/talk-to-a-doctor

Definitely still practising.

And I'd still like to know where the money's going. Because it's not going through their UK companies.

Needmoresleep · 21/05/2019 00:20

Culled from the Clearchemist website just now
www.clearchemist.co.uk/doctor

“Got a rash / sore / something you're not sure about / something you're embarrassed about?

Upload your photo privately here and Dr Webberley will diagnose if possible and advise as appropriate.”

OldCrone · 20/05/2019 23:54

This is from gendergp.co.uk. The screenshot in the previous post was from mywebdoctor.

There's nothing on either of these sites which says that they are not the practising doctors. On the mywebdoctor site, what else could this mean?

I am a GP and a sexual health and hormone specialist. I can give advice on any medical matter, and I offer safe access to medical advice, prescription medication, blood tests and x-rays, and specialist referrals to your local private hospital as needed.

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OldCrone · 20/05/2019 23:47

It’s my understanding that they’re not practicing

Where have you got this information from? On their websites, gendergp.co.uk and www.mywebdoctor.co.uk, it certainly looks as though they are still practising.

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RedHoodGirl · 20/05/2019 23:17

It’s my understanding that they’re not practicing, they just own the company, they’re still registered, therefore they can call themselves doctors (because they still are).

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