Period pain, since when was it down to estrogen?

Whatever symptoms they have are a sign that something is wrong, which is hardly surprising because the human body was not designed to take cross-sex hormones

A while back, before my peak-of-all-peaks, I stumbled upon a Twitter thread started by a TW who was posting in live-time about the agony they were in from "their period", reporting "feeling doubled up in pain" etc.
I was honestly and truly concerned for this suffering person, so I tried to help constructively saying something along the lines of

"You really need to speak to a doctor if you are suffering this much from abdominal pains, but whatever you do don't tell them you're a woman on your period because they'll fob you off and send you away to buy your own painkillers. You must have something really wrong with you that needs looking into. Love and hugs etc"

Needless to say I was blocked and no idea if the person ever got treated...

I was sterilised in my 30's. Now in my late 50's and I'm on the pill to stop my periods as they were so bad. I don't actually know if I've been through the menopause.

One thing I do know is that no man has ever had to sit on the toilet with both blood and diarrhoea pouring out of them whilst crying with the pain due to their period.

Anyone who uses the word people when referring to periods and the menopause can bugger off.

I looked up menophilia once Erythronium
and deeply regretted it. The online forums, the individual stories, the stealing from public sanitary bins...

I'm grateful to this board for teaching me so much about the risks of Self ID and the obvious erosion of women's rights (I was so naive) but there are some things you can't unsee and that and MAP/NOMAPs do haunt me.

It's creepy to know what men fetishise isn't it? Periods? I mean, really.

This is my pet peeve. I can't stand this chat about TW periods and their period pain. It's such bullshit. Aside from the absence of a uterus, cramps and prostaglandins there is no cyclical nature to their hormone regime. A period is a period, it requires a uterus shedding lining. Attempts to redefine that as some sort of unfortunate physical reaction to taking hormones is infuriating.

I sometimes think of them when I'm bleeding so heavily I can't leave the house, and when I'm cramping so badly I feel like I'm in labour again, or I have nausea so bad I spend the day hanging out near the loo, or when I feel faint with pain because I'm passing a clot, or when the pain makes me cry, or when my back and thighs are aching with shooting pains like I've done myself a terrible injury. Fuck off with your appropriation of periods. I'd not have this monthly torment in a heartbeat.

Sorry. TMI. But this subject does my head in.

Louise Minchin said the menopause was something PEOPLE like her suffered from.

I saw lots of tweets earlier today about the disgraceful lack of attention to the andropause (name for male menopause apparently). Maybe Louise M was trying to avoid that sort of criticism! Alternatively, I am quite careful about using ‘people’ and then all of a sudden I remember that referring to women or men is sometimes just fine. She could be the same.

Also saw that when the footballer Hector Bellerin tweeted about the Alabama abortion decision, Fathers for Justice and some other men replied asking why he was bothering with that when he should be tweeting about their situation. You can change your gender but it’s harder to get rid of that sense of entitlement.

It's validation isn't it? More "proof" that they're women. Look! Transwomen have periods too! They really, really must be women!

Despite the fact that female biology and female physiology has nothing to do with being a woman nowadays, hence the female penis and female sperm - once a month they're still having a female biological process. Ridiculous, self-contradictory and frankly insane.

I was also watching the BBC and Louise Minchin said the menopause was something PEOPLE like her suffered from. 🤬

Tinsel is right, I shouldn't have said dysphoria...and I go on about words and language being important all the time! Quite rightly I stand corrected.

@Grumpygran It’s actually not far off the mark!

If they are getting unexplained abdominal pain on a regular basis they should see a doctor

This

Whatever symptoms they have are a sign that something is wrong, which is hardly surprising because the human body was not designed to take cross-sex hormones.

By catering to this fantasy, their allies are putting off the day when they realise that they are actually poisoning themselves.

And why would oestrogen be causing the 'period pains' when oestrogen levels are low when your period starts?

Oh bother. I posted the above in the wrong thread. @Mumsnet, can you delete it?

Not me, but a neighbour of mine had to spend three months away from home, first caring for her terminally ill mother, then when her mother passed she had to arrange the funeral, clear and sell the house, and so on.
So, finally coming back home, she stopped at the local shop to buy some groceries, where she bumped into another neighbour of ours, who cried "Oh, I heard about your mother, you must be SO sad! But I know how it is - my darling Max died only last week and I simply cannot stop crying!"
Max, btw, was her cat. When my neighbour told me about this, she was fuming: "The bleeping bleep was comparing my mother to her bleeping bleeping cat!" (Edited for language.)

I'm on HRT and don't get period pains.

But then again I do know what period pains actually are. When they are a figment of your imagination you can imagine them any time right?

It's part of the dysphoria

It's part of the autogynephilia

And uterine pain a very specific type of pain, like very mild labour pains.

I wouldn't have described what I had in my teens/early 20s as 'very mild' (this was before I went on the pill). It's the only pain which has made me vomit, and in some ways worse than labour because it could be continuous and unremitting.

For a man to appropriate periods because he identifies as a woman is so arrogant and ignorant. It's pathetic and ridiculous, tbh.

Do they not understand that if you haven't got a uterus you can't get period pain? And uterine pain a very specific type of pain, like very mild labour pains. Nothing else creates that feeling.

A transwoman surely can't understand period pain, in the same way I've no idea what it's like to be kicked in the bollocks.

ErrolTheDragon has it bang to rights.

A transwoman surely can't understand period pain, in the same way I've no idea what it's like to be kicked in the bollocks.

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I remember reading a disturbing blog post about orgasms via the new clitoris that a transsexual had and them describing them as better than a woman's orgasm. There is no way you can get period pain if you do not have a uterus.

It's cognitive dissonance and/ or buyer's remorse. Sad and yes, probably part of the dysphoria.

If they are getting unexplained abdominal pain on a regular basis they should see a doctor. It clearly isn’t period pain as they don’t have a uterus.

Offensive, appropriative, erasing of women and their experiences... yes. Also deeply sad. Blows a huge hole in the 'not a mental health disorder' line. A menstrual period is the shedding of the womb lining. No womb shedding, no period. End of.

I am increasingly convinced that people accessing cross sex hormones should be offered the chance to study for a GCSE in human biology.

I used to be shocked that there are transwomen out there who actually fantasize about "being on their period" but I've seen it so much now I'm not shocked anymore.

It's rather annoying when other people's fantasies turn into "this is actually happening and you have to agree with me" but that basically summarizes the whole ideology.