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The Government is looking at Gender Stereotyping too. I'm suspicious about this bandwagon.

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theOtherPamAyres · 17/05/2019 16:53

Hot on the heels of the Fawcett survey, the Women and Equalities Department announced today (17/05/19) that it would commissioning research into Body Image and gender stereotyping.

I was already getting a funny feeling about the drivers behind the Fawcett survey and today's announcement makes me even more suspicious about the ubiquity of 'gender stereotyping' in the public domain.

While completing the Fawcett survey, I got the feeling that there was a ready-made, quick win, unthreatening range of measures that was looking for a problem to solve.

The measures would require the Women and Equalities Department to bring together stakeholders, manufacturers and retailers of children's films, games, toy, clothes and shoes, to improve choice. .

Easy peasy quick wins, with some positive outcomes for government and businesses. Hurrah

Fair enough and good luck to you, Fawcett and W&E Department - but don't pretend that tackling 'gender stereotyping' in consumer goods is the reason why there is misogyny, violence against women, or sexist structures preventing women's participation in various walks of life.

Anyone else getting the feeling that the inclusive notion of 'gender stereotyping' is being viewed as a simplisitic silver bullet to tackle all our woes?

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resisterpersister · 17/05/2019 17:43

The trans lobby are against stereotyping in ways that does away with safeguarding.

Consider this example:

Old version:

A girl sees a man in the ladies' toilets. She knows this is wrong, and she leaves and tells someone there's a man in the toilet. Everyone knows he shouldn't be there. They ask the girl if she's OK, and someone goes to remove the man from the ladies' toilet/

New version combating "stereotypes", TRA style:

A girl sees a man in the ladies' toilets. She knows, due to "training" from Gendered Intelligence/Stonewall/Mermaids/Guides etc that even though this person looks like a man, dresses in a traditionally "male" way - it's only societies stereotypes that make her think that this is definitely a man. It could be, that this person is a woman. Clothes don't make you a man, or a woman, after all. This person could have an inner "gender essence" that's female. So, the girl quashes her instincts and feelings of discomfort. The male-looking person engages her in conversation about periods, asking her if she has a spare tampon and when she started her periods and how to insert a tampon. She feels a very uncomfortable. but understands that she must be nice to this person as she's learnt that transwomen need her kindness. She talks to them for a while about periods and inserting tampons, with increasing discomfort then dashes out of the toilet when another women comes in. She still feels uncomfortable about the whole encounter afterwards but can't explain why and feels bad that she let her internal prejudices get in the way of being comfortable with this person. She doesn't tell anyone as she doesn't want to be labelled transphobic.

(Anyone doubting this would happen - this is based on the online and real life behaviour of a well known Canadian transwoman who is - as far as we know - yet to face any charges).

OldCrone · 17/05/2019 17:21

The trans lobby also say that they're against gender stereotyping. The solution for them is to change your body to match your 'gender'.

Fallingirl · 17/05/2019 17:16

I am equally sudpicious of them looking into ‘body image’.

As if the only problem with objectification and sexualisation in imagery of women, is that the models, actresses etc are too skinny, and only considering how such imagery affects girls and young women.

It has to consider impacts on how all representations of women and men, girls and boys affects everyone, including how men treat women.

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