Sara Pascoe on The Guilty Feminist

Whenever I've heard comedians talk about it, it's rarely funny. Just preachy.

True. This new breed of observational comedians are the opposite of observant. They think they are championing something progressive and making fun of ignorant people. It would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic.

I like her, but she's always struck me as woker than woke, so not surprised. Most of the younger generations of TV comedians seem to live in a London media bubble.

It is massively inappropriate. Makes you wonder if she just wanted to shove her "inclusive" views down other women's throats, including those who had been victims of male violence. given that men are probably less likely to attend fundraisers for women's refuges. She absolutely can fuck right off.

In fact its the last two comedians in a row that ive seen that have done a skit about how silly women are for being worried about the issue. The last one was Nish Kumar. He also got very few laughs about it.

Whenever I've heard comedians talk about it, it's rarely funny. Just preachy.

I saw Sara Pascoe recently as she was hosting a fundraising gig for our local womens refuge, and she also did a massive fucking bit about this. Cis women being all silly about wanting women only toilets. I thought it was massively inappropriate considering we are actually having refuges defunded and shut down because they want to be single sex, and it was inappropropriate for a womens refuge fundraiser.

It also got very few laughs when she joked about it.
In fact its the last two comedians in a row that ive seen that have done a skit about how silly women are for being worried about the issue. The last one was Nish Kumar. He also got very few laughs about it.
A few years ago, I think they would have had a much more poisitive reaction actually, but the tables have turned.

Call me cynical, but comedians who work regularly for the BBC tend prioritize male trans people over the needs of women and girls.

Sara's second biggest problem (apart from not being very funny) is that she's not very bright.

The girly laddete man pleasing is tiresome.

I may be very naive - but I do hope or think - the more people who are not stupid - like Sarah Pascoe - Frankie Boyle - Richard Herring - Suzi Ruffalo ( I heard her call Linehan a C*nt) understand the facts and the issues they will have their eyes opened - most people on here have journeyed from lets be nice to a vulnerable minority - to a much more GC position - Just because you are a Minority - does not automatically make you right or beyond Criticism -

I agree with Out.

It was actually "Flavor Aid" in Jonestown. If a Jonestown survivor asked me not to use the phrase to them I would respect that. But it does signal how dangerously cult beliefs get out of all control.

GeordieGenes you seem to have missed the part about feminism not being about men's feelings. 🤣

Sorry Out - not aimed at your comment which I agree with.

So - back to the topic of feminism....

Not wanting to derail the thread, but I've thought about the kool-aid saying, whether it's fair to use, and I've come to the conclusion it is. If anything, it should e used more, to remind people how dangerous cults are. Vulnerable people were targeted, Jones was given legitimacy by politicians who used the movement as a way of signalling how virtuous they were - all the same factors that can be seen in woke movements now. There are good documentaries available, they're worth watching to see how a movement that looks OK on the surface can career out of control once narcissism is on the mix. Like the word 'gaslighting', which used to annoy me, I'll use the kool-aid saying still be ause of the depth-charge of meaning it carries.

I agree OldCrone. The acid test explanation makes more sense to me than the Jonestown massacre explanation.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid
www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/11/stop-saying-drink-the-kool-aid/264957/

We discussed this at uninaround 2005 about the connotations associated around the phrase and listened to interviews with survivors of the massacre and their feelings on it.

I can certainly see why these feminists are guilty...

Seems I was right about the origins of the phrase, according to this wiki page:

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kool-Aid

A Kool-Aid drinker or True Believer is someone who has imbibed deeply enough of the One True Faith to have seriously damaged their mental faculties - often irreversibly. The term is originally derived from the beatniks' "acid tests," in which they would trick people into drinking LSD-spiked Kool-Aid

I'll stop derailing now. Never heard of Sara Pascoe, so have nothing to say about her.

'Drinking the kool-aid' is a shorthand that's understood by most people

Oddly, until I read on here about it referring to the Jonestown massacre, I'd assumed it referred to this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

The Acid Tests are parties where everyone takes LSD (which was often put into the Kool-Aid they served) and abandon the realities of the mundane world

Drinking Kool-Aid spiked with LSD and losing touch with reality seems like quite a good metaphor for what's going on now.

Sad but not surprising. I was more surprised and saddened to hear Suzi Ruffles on Richard Herring’s podcast calling Graham Linehan “a transphobic cunt”. Suzi’s till now poked fun at woke liberals.

Ugh, i can't stand the way she's wheeled out on every comedy panel show as a proper "feminist comic" - her stand up is awful anyway but her shameful insensitivity to other women's problem with TRA agenda just makes her unwatchable now.

'Drinking the kool-aid' is a shorthand that's understood by most people
So are lot of words and phrases that we wouldn't dream of using now.

Just because it is understood by most people doesn't make it right. Surely everyone on a feminist board knows how powerful language and words are.

I'm so fed up of women who claim to be feminists while centering men. They wouldn't be as annoying if they just admitted they want approval from men, and women's opinions and rights are irrelevant to them.

Yes, it really irritates me that these silly, male pandering cool girls think they're the real feminists and are recognised as such even though they don't actually give much of a crap about other women.

'Drinking the kool-aid' is a shorthand that's understood by most people.

@OrchidInTheSun 100% with you on this one.

I already had a thread where I wanted to get a refund for the book as the first chapter said CIS women and I realised this woman was no feminist. It is infuriating how she can get so much traction as a representative of women though.

I never understand these women, I compare it to a black person representing the KKK - to would never happen. Yet women who happily promote the ideology of their enemies are lauded. It is only when you do a racial analogy that you see how farcical it is.