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Harry the Owl

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 15:45

Please can Harry be dropped from the Fair Cop campaign. Having an overt racist involved will just damage it. Thank you

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ZebrasAreBras · 15/05/2019 17:19

Zebra, you can believe what you want.

Thank you, I will. I didn't say you were a TRA (although I wouldn't be surprised) - I said I didn't believe you were a RF.

Harry is currently tweeting from the House of Lords meeting on #transethics - which is far more worthwhile than telling the women on Mumsnet off.

And starting a campaign like Fair Cop is also far worth worthwhile than criticising the guy who started it for tweets he may or may not have made several years ago.

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 17:13

"Unless, Perspicacia, you're a bit concerned about the combination of Harry and mumsnet and would quite like to see a divide...?"

I support the campaign. Do you not read? I believe that a racist like Harry will damage the success of it. You don't care. Okay.

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teawamutu · 15/05/2019 17:11

Yes, what do they want to do about it? I want to abolish gender and I thought I was RF. Could not BE more confused.

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 17:11

Need.. men cannot be feminists, radical or otherwise.

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 17:11

Zebra, you can believe what you want. I am not a TRA and these are legitimate concerns. The fact that so many of you refuse to believe that your golden boy could have done this says a lot. When women centre men it is not feminism.

I HAVE contacted FairCop.

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FermatsTheorem · 15/05/2019 17:10

But if you abolish gender, what are you transitioning from and to? Without gender, trans ideology makes no sense. So if radical feminism is in part at least about the abolition of gender, then by definition a radical feminist has to be gender critical. You can't buy into the Mermaids jelly babies with pink brains like Barbie through to blue brains like GI Joe shite without thinking gender is a thing, rather than a socially constructed system of political oppression.

PerspicaciaTick · 15/05/2019 17:10

And what do gender critical feminists want to do about gender?

teawamutu · 15/05/2019 17:10

Unless, Perspicacia, you're a bit concerned about the combination of Harry and mumsnet and would quite like to see a divide...?

Needmoresleep · 15/05/2019 17:10

OP is RF not GC. I am GC not RF.

I assume Harry is also GC not RF.

Does OP really think everyone needs to agree with them? Or that they have the only version of the truth?

frankexchangeofviews · 15/05/2019 17:10

Quite right OP

We should only worry about the right to freedom of expression for nice people

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 17:08

Because Tea, RFs want to abolish gender.

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PerspicaciaTick · 15/05/2019 17:08

Mr Miller co-founded a campaign group to fight for freedom of speech after he is targeted by TRAs and you expect MN to close him down? Why? Why not contact faircop? Or ask Mr Miller directly if he will consider standing down. Coming via MN seems a rather indirect (and bizarrely pointless way) of trying to effect change.

ZebrasAreBras · 15/05/2019 17:06

I don't see how "we" can drop Harry from the campaign he started.

Harry has been personally effected by this - he was one of the people interviewed by police for wrong-think. He was called transphobic by police. He's doing it because the police vastly overstepped the line - he's doing it for freedom of expression - not for "us."

I support Harry's campaign wholeheartedly, and I don't believe you're a RF or a regular MNetter - because if you were, you wouldn't come on MN telling the FWR users here what to do.

popehilarious · 15/05/2019 17:06

Are you going to link to the source so it can be checked, or just expect everyone to take the word of a random?

PenguindreamsofDraco · 15/05/2019 17:06

Why is it always such a struggle to understand that we might agree on some issues and disagree on others? And that in some circumstances the something on which we agree unites us more than the something on which we disagree separates us?

And freedom of speech is worth nothing unless people are free to say things with which we disagree - that is the whole bloody point.

teawamutu · 15/05/2019 17:04

How can you be RF without being GC?

Floisme · 15/05/2019 17:02

I still don’t understand why you are asking FWR to take action on behalf of Fair Cop, especially when you are, as you say, a regular poster.

Is there anything that isn’t the responsibility of women?
Anything at all?

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 17:00

I am not a TRA.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 15/05/2019 16:58

TRAs have obviously been very very busy ploughing through Harry's social media. They've had to go back years to find a few isolated tweets, which have been reproduced without context.

They must be very worried to do that.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 15/05/2019 16:58

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slycooperatemysocks · 15/05/2019 16:57

I have not photoshopped these images. He has admitted some of them if you bother to look.

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RedDogsBeg · 15/05/2019 16:55

I guess that I should not be surprised at the reactions here, UK feminism does have huge issues around Xenophobia, Lesbophobia and race.

How so? Care to explain?

SlipperyLizard · 15/05/2019 16:55

The Burka tweet (second link) is apparently dated 2015 but has Harry’s current “Limerick criminal” handle (or whatever you call it). Blatantly photoshopped, as Harry wasn’t a limerick criminal in 2015.

Oh, and what everyone else said - FWR has no influence on Harry’s campaign.

MyAuntyBadger · 15/05/2019 16:54

He's fighting for free speech op, all of it, not just the stuff you agree with. That's the point. And many feminists don't like the burka/niqab and see it as oppressive and unpleasant (and much of Islam is hardly good for women) so why did you do the '#white feminism' thing? White feminism would be to accept it without comment as something that happens to others, so none of white women's business.

MockerstheFeManist · 15/05/2019 16:53

Please drop W Shakespeare from the school curriculum. He advocates teenage sex and regicde.

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