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CRUK - "Cervix havers" update

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/05/2019 10:18

Remember that?

I just took a mosey on over to see if CRUK were still blinded by their halo of woke. Looks like someone grown up has finally taken control of the website!

Not only have the used plain, easily understandable language, they have also clearly signposted a separate document which equally clearly informs trans people what will happen/what they may need to do to receive the correct healthcare for their sex.

I mean, well done CRUK for finally realising cancer doesn't give a shit what internal mystical essence you might have, but you lost many of us (me a decades-long donor) over it. Not that you ever bothered to reply to me when I took the trouble to write and tell you exactly that...

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/cervical-cancer/getting-diagnosed/screening/about

CRUK - "Cervix havers" update
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JustAnotherWoman · 12/05/2019 23:25

The CR row on twitter peak transed me, I innocently made a comment concerned about women with learning difficulties not understanding the language and got piled on. Frankly I'm still angry about being hung out to dry by CR in a debate I was unaware until then.
The woke activity by a number of charities has completely changed how I donate to charities and I won't be changing back. For cancer charities I now focus on hospice charities, they benefit women who need care and help support the care givers who are overwhelmingly female.

Sexnotgender · 12/05/2019 20:19

Every one acknowledge biological reality, every one get their own properly differentiated advice

Totally agree. It’s respectful to everyone and everyone gets their needs catered for.

Unfortunately biological reality seems to upset some people.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 12/05/2019 19:34

Also those of you reinstating donations please drop CR a line to say why!

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 12/05/2019 19:33

JellySlice exactly. It's so frustrating that this "battle" is even happening because in most of these cases finding a sensible middle ground is so easy to find. Every one acknowledge biological reality, every one get their own properly differentiated advice, every one respected, included, and helped, no one excluded, erased, or denied to exist. It's not fucking rocket science. Very little of this argument needs to be happening!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/05/2019 18:46

Ideal. I'm totally happy with that sort of language - it's factual and inclusive.

EweSurname · 12/05/2019 17:59

Wonderful news!

Stiffasaboard · 12/05/2019 17:50

Oh wow such good news
May reinstate my monthly donation now

ScrimshawTheSecond · 12/05/2019 17:38

Good stuff! It almost makes me want to go and get a smear test.

goodwinter · 12/05/2019 16:43

@TheInebriati thank you!

MissEyre · 12/05/2019 16:26

Well done CRUK.

I raised this issue with my MP so I guess I should now write to him and let him know about the change so he can see that no one is being denied the right to exist etc etc.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 12/05/2019 14:55

It's great news but awful that it even happened.

StoatofDisarray · 12/05/2019 14:52

That's fantastic news!

Sexnotgender · 12/05/2019 14:45

Glad they have seen sense because nobody wins unless we can speak honestly to each other.

Totally agree. There needs to be accurate accessible information for all parties. Obfuscating confusing language does everybody a disservice and it needs to stop.
Women and transwomen are NOT the same thing.
Men and transmen are NOT the same thing.

Creating false equivalencies particularly in healthcare is massively detrimental to both parties. Men and women however they choose to present themselves have different biological and healthcare needs.

JellySlice · 12/05/2019 14:43

And that is how to be genuinely and honestly trans-inclusive.

Being mindful of language for the majority of women who do not identify as non-binary or trans, while taking into account this tiny minority, respecting their feelings and avoiding erasing either group.

ChattyLion · 12/05/2019 14:38

Though the leaflet says that being on hormones a long time can increase cancer risks (they mentioned breast cancer risk on male bodies).

Is that discussed with the parents and children being put on cross-sex hormones at young ages?

ChattyLion · 12/05/2019 14:37

That’s an excellent leaflet by CRUK for trans people. Good.
Glad they have seen sense because nobody wins unless we can speak honestly to each other.

Sexnotgender · 12/05/2019 14:35

What an excellent turn of eventsSmile

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/05/2019 14:32

Oh, and I also got my smear reminder recently too, and am pleased to say the official NHS leaflet is exactly as unambiguous as well. Very clear and informative.

And (notably) says [my bold]:
"Cervical screening is usually carried out by a female nurse or doctor. If you want to make sure a woman carries out your test, you can ask for this..."

In the context of the wider language of the leaflet, I think they are being 100% clear that woman = Adult Human Female, not the ladybrain type.

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InTheHeatofLisbon · 12/05/2019 14:08

I'm so glad to read this!

Making sure women get access to tests/smears is far, far more important than playing the game of political correctness!

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 14:07

Now that’s a sensible piece of writing. Well done CRUK.

TheInebriati · 12/05/2019 14:04

goodwinter
It said 'cervical screening (or the smear test) is relevant for everyone aged 25 - 64 with a cervix''. The word 'women' was not used at all.
Several people pointed out that information was useless to many women, including women who use English as a second language.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/smear-test-campaign-drops-the-word-woman-to-avoid-transgender-offence-263mj7f6s

goodwinter · 12/05/2019 13:40

Can anyone tell me what it said before?

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 12/05/2019 13:37

I wonder if the Eyes will now start up at CRUK for daring to be so disgustingly transphobic?

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ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 12/05/2019 13:33

That is lovely to see!

AdiosAdipose · 12/05/2019 13:31

This is fantastic news.

My mother had cervical cancer when I was in my teens and I supported the charity for years after - raising quite a chunk of money through various activities. I stopped when all this 'person with a cervix' nonsense started but would be happy to help again now they have seen sense!

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