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kesstrel · 12/05/2019 09:12

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Datun · 12/05/2019 18:52

Sorry - my post was to gammon.

50shadesofgreyrock · 12/05/2019 18:52

The vast numbers of academics trying to keep their jobs would find your view naive.

Datun · 12/05/2019 18:51

Perhaps I'm not being clear. Are you an AGP advocate ?

50shadesofgreyrock · 12/05/2019 18:50

Nice reversal Grin the point to address rather is your faith that the peer reviewed research currently allowable is the ‘truth’. How can we possibly know that when research into any aspect of gender ideology that could detract from the party line isn’t allowed to proceed? You don’t find it concerning that even voicing a gender critical ideology in academia leads to calls for sacking? You find it inconceivable that there is bias into the research that is allowable? Huh. And with all that background in conspiracy theories too.

Datun · 12/05/2019 18:45

I can't say I appreciate the suggestion that I deliberately misread your post. We've already had that discussion and the circling back feels a lot like an attempt to "catch me out" which feels a little disingenuous though I'm sure that's not the intention.

Yeah, no it absolutely was the intention.

GammonNosher · 12/05/2019 18:39

Like I mentioned earlier I did some reading a few years ago when I was getting out of some poisonous ideologies that I've since been able to leave behind. It made a lot of sense to me, like, intuitively. You might say I could feel it in my chromosones.

I can't say I appreciate the suggestion that I deliberately misread your post. We've already had that discussion and the circling back feels a lot like an attempt to "catch me out" which feels a little disingenuous though I'm sure that's not the intention.

It seems that you're quite unhappy with my reliance on particular sources along with close reading and I can only apologise for that. As I mentioned I have gone down a few rabbit holes in my time and this approach saved my life, though it was extremely unpopular, to the point that I was subject to intimidation and aggression by my peers.

I'm really glad that you've been somewhat more patient than the others, religious groups and conspiracy theorists I associated with in the past.

Datun · 12/05/2019 18:25

Do you have an example of the sort of pro transgender ideology being falsely platformed instead of the truth?

A minute ago, you thought that AGP might apply to women, due to you deliberately misreading my post.

What is your interest in AGP?

JackyHolyoake · 12/05/2019 18:17

Gammon ... suggest you do a Google search "James Caspian research" which tells the story of Bath Spa University.

GammonNosher · 12/05/2019 18:15

Hi 50shades. Apologies if my posts come across as tittery. I'll try to be more formal. I just want to check that the position is that universities reject proposals concerning AGP? Do they provide reasoning? Naturally such a situation would be extremely controversial so that's pricked my ears right up. Do you have an example of the sort of pro transgender ideology being falsely platformed instead of the truth?

OrchidInTheSun · 12/05/2019 17:52

I do think generally you (as in the modding team as a whole, not you personally @sophielmumsnet although you may well be!) are generally very even-handed and I appreciate it's a tough job a lot of the time :)

But I also know that if the the system is 'lots of reports = deletions' then it's one that is very easily gamed. It would be very interesting to know the proportion of reports made by people who rarely if ever post.

50shadesofgreyrock · 12/05/2019 17:43

Am lol that peer reviewed papers are Gammon’s conduit of the one true truth. Because the fact that universities are refusing to allow research on anything except pro-transgender ideology (Caspian etc), plus Sokal squared and the Pluckrose et al grievance studies hilarity wouldn’t complicate that at all, eh?
Oh Gammon. Try harder. I can hear the disingenuous tittering from here.

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 17:41

No worries Smile I know modding is a thankless task, and I can imagine you all play rock, paper scissors to decide who gets the feminist beat on any given day...!

SophieLMumsnet · 12/05/2019 17:38

OH! Sorry, Sophocles. Thanks for explaining - we misunderstood. (obviously)

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 17:37

X post Lang! It hadn’t occurred that my post could be read in that way.

LangCleg · 12/05/2019 17:36

Cross post. Soz for speaking for you, Sophocles.

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 17:35

Sophie, I don’t mean you and the other mods, I mean the people who like to watch and report, then screenshot and brag on Twitter. I think mods have got a really tough job and a difficult line to try to maintain between allowing conversation and responding to reports, and I absolutely did not intend rudeness to MNHQ. apologies if that wasn’t clear.

LangCleg · 12/05/2019 17:35

We don't think there's a need for that Sophocles. Can we just remind everyone that while it's fine to question deletions - rudeness towards moderators isn't tolerated.

She didn't mean the mod team, Sophie! It's the long-running Eve and the Monitors joke: not a dig at you guys.

SophieLMumsnet · 12/05/2019 17:29

We don't think there's a need for that Sophocles. Can we just remind everyone that while it's fine to question deletions - rudeness towards moderators isn't tolerated.

DpWm · 12/05/2019 17:23

^i tried again with gentler language

DpWm · 12/05/2019 17:22

But seriously??
I mean,

The company will treat this person as male when it comes to pay grade and promotions.

They will treat this person as transgender when it comes to any utterance that someone believes this person is male while they are in womanly persona.

If this person were to, not saying they will, but if they were to commit any typically male misdemeanor you can guarantee it will be reported as "female employee commits whatever misdemeanor". They will be treated as a woman.

This person will be free to use their male privilege to win women-only awards if there are any not saying there will be any.

We all know it!

I got deleted for pointing it out?

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 17:17

No, I got that, doctoress, DP’s post didn’t seem deletion worthy to me. It actually highlighted some real concerns.

SophoclesTheFox · 12/05/2019 17:16

I should just point out that OBVIOUSLY I have changed Zoe and Martins names for this to protect both their privacy and mine, just in case that is bothering the Witch Monitoring Detail on duty this afternoon.

DpWm · 12/05/2019 17:14

Wow Shock
The AWA are out in force

ThePurportedDoctoress · 12/05/2019 17:12

I'm referring to the latest deletion, not your post Sophocles!

ThePurportedDoctoress · 12/05/2019 17:11

FFS. Is sarcasm not allowed?

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