Foster children (3 and 7) transitioning. Times article

Plus trans guidance from groups like Allsorts and councils such as Brighton and Hove in schools which is affirmative. Risks schools becoming affirmative too.

Do not forget how difficult it now is for ordinary sensible parents who want to adopt a watchful waiting approach in thd face of ROGD.

Examples:

1. Stonewall champion schools who adopt an affirmation only approach.
2. Woke Social Services who use their powers to try to push parents away from their instincts.
3. The difficulty in finding MH support that adopts watchful waiting rather than affirmation.
4. The speed at which hormones are offered. In one instance within 6 months of a child announcing their dysphoria, in another the child simply purchased them off the internet.

There may be plenty wrong with these foster parents. However there is a lot more wrong with the system that is supposed to help and guide them, so that children are properly protected.

I still want to know who paid for them to take this to court and for them to hire 'experts'.

I suspect the parents are the puppets not the actors.

Interesting RO, thanks...

from current thread,

Standing For Women is pleased to announce our meeting at the House of Lords, hosted by Dr Lord Moonie entitled "First Do No Harm : The ethics of transgender healthcare."
3.30 - 5pm 15th May 2019, House of Lords Committee Room 2A.

Our talks are:

"Towards compassionate science based medicine/care for gender questioning individuals."
Richard Byng GP and Professor of primary care medicine at the University of Plymouth "Freedom to think: the need for thorough assessment in gender dysphoria"
Marcus Evans Psychoanalytic Psychotherapist, Member British Psychoanalytical Society and The Institute of Psychoanalysis
"Medical Harms of Gender Affirmative Therapy"
Michael K. Laidlaw, MD. Endocrinologist
"An Urgent Call to Action to Protect Young People and End Experimental Identity Medicine"
Leila Leoncavallo Kelsey Coalition consultant
"The Spread of an ideology and the targeting of children in UK schools"
Stephanie Davies-Arai Author, teacher trainer, parent coach and Founder of Transgender Trend
followed by a Q & A lead by Dr Lord Lewis Moonie

This meeting is limited to parliamentarians. Please encourage your MP to attend this meeting and ask them to RSVP to [email protected]. There are limited spaces available and so we operate on a first come, first basis.

Have a great Sunday!

Posie and Venice

#firstdonoharm
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3583824-Let-your-MP-know-about-this-asap

Well I made myself read it because it is pertinent to my domestic situation.. seems the LA were given clear indication that the application would fail and therefore withdrew. This is horrific. Having just been thru the very intense process to be approved as foster careers then as special guardians, I’m guessing that the parents experience with their youngest would initially have been viewed positively. I was really careful to not seem too gender critical when being assessed, but then these tiny children being socially transitioned would ring alarm bells. The world has gone mad.

Lisa Muggeridge,
'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLd0kp_5do

Lewis Turner is the current chair of Press for Change,

www.pfc.org.uk/

August 2018
Lisa Muggeridge comments:
'Why this crisis is significant for Looked After Children.'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExAWNWRF-o4

How can any parents cope with this and care for a further three younger children who have multiple health and developmental issues, according to the parents? The number of accidents referenced in the report is very concerning, because they point to a family struggling to cope at the very least. And 'struggling to cope' is the very best slant that you could put on it.

National appeals this week for Foster Carers:

Today's Manchester evening News:
"Urgent appeal launches for more foster carers in Manchester
Around 1,240 new fostering households are needed in the North West according to recent statistics"
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/special-features/fostering-fortnight-urgent-appeal-manchester-16220358

My first thought was Munchausens BP. Must be incredibly difficult to prove, given that in 99.999% of cases, seeking medical help of any sort for a child is of course the right thing to do.

I find the Lancashire bit pertinent to this.

Lewis Turner who has worked closely with Stephen Whittle is based in Lancashire. His focus has been public sector for many years:
lancslgbt.org.uk/who-we-are/

2007 Stephen Whittle & Lewis Turner,
''Sex Changes'? Paradigm Shifts in 'Sex' and 'Gender' Following the Gender Recognition Act?'

from bio:
"Lewis Turner has been conducting research on trans issues for the last 8 years. He recently completed the research report �Engendered Penalties: Transgender and Transsexual People�s Experiences of Inequality and Discrimination�, commissioned by the Equalities Review with Stephen Whittle. This is the most comprehensive study of trans people in the UK. His PhD thesis Gender Renaissance: Re-configurations of femininity (2004) was an ethnographic study of a trans group in Blackpool (UK). He is an independent researcher and stakeholder consultant for Lancashire Constabulary and the Crown Prosecution Service on trans issues. He has published work in the area of trans studies and also race equality."

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

"I just can’t read this. It is state authorised child @buse. I am so angry."

Indeed, so am I. There is also a lot of money involved, and as far as I can make out a lot of "conflict of interest".

www.harleystgenderclinic.com/

Even without the foster children, that family has multiple challenges.

The mother has chronic health problems.

The 17 year old has a medical condition, referenced in the report.

The 13 year old has multiple medical and neurodivergent issues, as well as the gender identity issues.

How can any parents cope with this and care for a further three younger children who have multiple health and developmental issues, according to the parents? The number of accidents referenced in the report is very concerning, because they point to a family struggling to cope at the very least. And 'struggling to cope' is the very best slant that you could put on it.

I realise that these were not the issues before the judge, but you can't help but feel that the family will stagger on for a while and then the younger children will be removed. At an age when they will be very difficult to place elsewhere.

Needmoresleep - Then when the foster child shows signs of gender non-conformity ...

The first time concerns were raised, H would have been less than 2 years old:

In August 2013 an anonymous referral received by the local authority from a member of the extended family under the heading 'preoccupation with and encouragement of gender dysphoria in 3 children'.

This is firmly in 'unpopping the poppers on a onesie' territory.

I am horrified that only three months after these concerns were raised, H and C were both transferred from LAC to SGO.

I was reading The Cornwall Guidance last night and it's mostly very sensible - it recommends the use of third spaces for trans kids and also how to make these third spaces non othering and stigmatising (i.e. having a mixed sex extra toilet rather than telling them to use the disabled toilet). It also has a small case study from a trans child specifically saying they prefer that option, that they felt uncomfortable using the toilet for their "acquired gender", and that they found teachers well intentioned efforts to make them use such toilets upsetting. Ditto sleeping arrangements on residential trips. For sports it repeatedly uses the phrase "common sense approach" - boys of 11 probably wont have an advantage over girls in football, boys of 15 probably will, boys of 15 who have been on hormone blockers since 11 probably won't etc. Basically take it case by case and use common sense. Specifically addresses the need to consider other students not just the trans child. The only bits that were iffy to me was the confidentiality bit which still seemed to endorse secretly supporting a child without involving the parents, and the further support appendix which gives Mermaids, Gires, GI etc as contacts, and further reading suggestions like Alex Drummonds wanky autobiography.

I just can’t read this. It is state authorised child @buse. I am so angry.

Needmoresleep

What you are seeing are some of the many consequences of long term damage to Safeguarding frameworks by transactivism.

This case is hugely significant to recognise the full extent of the damage & horrifying (though not surprising) when one considers the wider implications.

These poor children are being raised on lies. I do hope there is a chance for them to escape from this somehow. I've seen video clips of children in the US, one as young as 8, talking about the surgery they will have when older. This little boy was living as a girl and seemed terrified of the idea of surgery but also spoke of how it has to be this way so he can be a 'proper girl' (I'm paraphrasing).

No child should have to think about major surgery, of course it happens for medical reasons but why would any parent encourage elective surgery like this, why would it even be discussed?

They will need some serious mental health support throughout their lives as well as all the synthetic hormones. I feel for them I really do.

I have nothing useful to add, I'm still struggling with the idea that decision makers and experts are discussing a 3-year-old's 'transition' like it's an actual biological process similar to metamorphosis.

The theory that a child has an innate 'gender identity' & so one which could become known to the child at a young age is an idea espoused by the founder of the Tavistock children's service Domenico Di Ceglie :

Tavistock GIDS website:

"The principles of the founder inform all of the work done by the clinic.

The GIDS was founded in 1989 and is one of the longest standing services for gender diverse children and young people in the world. Domenico Di Ceglie, who founded the service, wrote a set of therapeutic aims which we still abide by today. This includes the unconditional acceptance and respect for young people’s gender identity. We do not therefore take a view regarding the outcome of an individual’s gender identity development: rather, our focus is to provide a space for exploration of gender, to ameliorate any negative impacts on general development and to work with young people to think through all the options open to them. These principles remain central to the delivery of the service." (continues)

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/our-gender-identity-development-service/

R0, I don’t disagree. Just wary of deletions or causing MN problems by posting anything too direct. By pointing out what seem to me to be parallels, I am expecting others to come to their own conclusions.

I will say though that I consider the Stonewall/Mermaids/Allsorts guidance to be dangerous, and that I consider organisations like the NAS and the NSPCC, and a number of our leading politicians, to be negligent by not applying the sort of critical scrutiny that good journalists on the Times and Spectator and Tavi medics have called for.

Blaming foster parents, PC Plod (or whatever the guy in the Humberside Police was called), Social Services, teachers etc might be unfair. They are operating in a minefield, with a real danger of be damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Yes those responsible for the care safety and welfare of vulnerable children absolutely need to centre the child’s needs, but it is easy to imagine scenarios where this is well nigh impossible. As the Times article illustrates.

I was wondering why on earth GIDs / Tavistock weren't seen as the experts, but then it occurred to me that the whole trans ideology, especially regarding children, is opinion dressed up as scientific fact.

There is criteria for who is an 'expert witness' in such cases.
The list will have been agreed by all parties & it may well be that this 'gender identity' doctor was one that all agreed to.

Its possible (for example) that it might be seen as a potential conflict of interests if Tavistock had involvement with the family etc

In other cases professionals from the Tavistock may well provide the 'expert' testimony.

Placemarking. I have nothing useful to add, I'm still struggling with the idea that decision makers and experts are discussing a 3-year-old's 'transition' like it's an actual biological process similar to metamorphosis. These threads are very helpful and informative.

Let's hypothetically fast forward seven years or so: child H becomes a teenager, with all the usual sexual awakening that entails (or is the poor child going to be on puberty blockers before then?)

1. Child H, outwardly presenting as a girl, finds themselves attracted to boys. ie. child H is gay. Male peers who are gay are unlikely to be attracted to a 'girl'.

1. Child H, outwardly presenting as a girl, finds themselves attracted to girls. ie. child H is heterosexual. Female peers who are heterosexual are unlikely to be attracted to a 'girl'; female peers who are lesbian are unlikely to be attracted to someone with a penis.

Where does that leave child H? I would suggest depressed and confused. What an awful prospect to inflict on any child.

Its really important not to minimise abuse.

Especially when the abuse perpetrated by the man includes the sexual abuse of children.