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I was called a uterus haver.

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/05/2019 22:22

I was called a uterus haver, in a what'sapp chat, aimed at promoting female health,in a family chat...
The person who sent it is very woke, does lots for the community, lgbt and sporting.
I didn't reply as did no one else.
I said to my partner that it is an attempt at normalising that language, the one that can't say woman...

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PantsyMcPantsface · 12/05/2019 10:01

My brother's the sort who'd come out with shite like this (we barely speak) - difference is I can invoke the clause of "you're my younger sibling and you're being a prat - I'm going to bloody well tell you so" in that case.

Best he told me was when telling him that my kid tended to arch her back going into the car seat so make sure her bum was in all the way before trying to do the straps up was that I was guilty of "indulging in blameist language against the child" .... oh how I can't wait till he has kids and gets that crash course in actual parenting. I told him he was being a sanctimonious idiot and to feck off.

OhHolyJesus · 12/05/2019 09:55

Thanks for explaining all this OP, I do think we have to say something as otherwise, as you say, the language becomes normalised.

Would it cause a big family row if you stood up to Woke Cousin? It sounds like another one of those 'woman states biological facts' stories I know but how else can we object if we stay silent. I appreciate it's not my partner or my family so easy for me to say perhaps.

HandsOffMyRights · 12/05/2019 09:44

OP, don't let them get away with that! Absolutely call out any prick who uses offensive language.
See how he likes bring called an ejaculator.

Outofinspiration · 12/05/2019 09:38

I was listening to Radio 1 a few years ago and there was a male and female DJ on there, both sounded like they were in their twenties. For some reason (it was an evening show but I can't remember what the subject was) the word 'gyaenocologist' came up - the female DJ had no idea what a gyaenocologist was, and the male DJ had to explain it to her!

Outofinspiration · 12/05/2019 09:35

DD signed up for a surgery recently and the sign up form asked that people with cervixes check a box if they have not had a smear test.

She had no idea what cervixes meant. I doubt she was the only one, and many women will end up not getting checked as a result.

Your DD is old enough to be independently registering for a surgery and she didn't know what 'cervix' meant or that she had one? Confused I hope you have remedied that now?

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 12/05/2019 09:31

I'm another who is shocked - and quite sad - that young women might not know that they have a cervix.

Women need to understand their anatomy if they are to have agency over their own bodies.

I don't know if the hpv vaccine is given in Ireland, but surely any young woman who had the jab as a teen would have been told what it was for?

Hoppinggreen · 12/05/2019 09:15

Are we allowed to call Pre (non) OP Transwomen “ penis havers “ then ?
Don’t imagine that would go down well

SoupDragon · 12/05/2019 09:12

they didn't say Uterus haverers, despite the OP. They talked about those who have a cervix because they were talking about smear tests, and those things are vital for a smear test.

I can't work out what was or wasn't said. I guess "uterus havers" was simply a far more attention seeking title.

Windygate · 12/05/2019 09:04

OP if the post had been 'all those with a prostate need to get it checked' would you have gone to your doctor to request a prostate check? I'm not happy with 'uterus hover' but 'those with a cervix' is pretty accurate.
The Irish cervical smear scandal is terrible and was completely avoidable. I doubt Ireland will be the only country guilty of shoddy women's health services.

MyCatHogsTheBed · 12/05/2019 08:07

I seem to always end up with a student observing or doing a smear test on me when I go (with my consent, in case that statement worries anybody). The supervising nurse talks about my cervix to me and to the student. The most disturbing thing I learned is when one was describing it as looking like a dog's nose

MyCatHogsTheBed · 12/05/2019 08:05

@2BthatUnnoticed they didn't say Uterus haverers, despite the OP. They talked about those who have a cervix because they were talking about smear tests, and those things are vital for a smear test.

I'm another who thinks most women who don't have any learning difficulties and speak native English should darn well know what a cervix is and whether they have one or not. In a family what's app I'm sure the sender would know if the people in it could be expected to understand the word cervix.

Endofthedays · 12/05/2019 00:11

Women who don’t have a cervix will know what a cervix is, and know a smear is not applicable to them.

Many women who do have a cervix won’t know what one is due to either language barriers or youth.

When I had a scan, the hcp didn’t use any anatomical terms like femur, spine, pelvis etc. It was all leg bone, back bone etc because they know many women will not understand the terms.

But we expect everyone to understand cervix? It just isn’t realistic

2BthatUnnoticed · 12/05/2019 00:08

OP I’m confused.

Why haven’t you “replied all” saying UH is offensive to you, and please don’t use it?

It is not for others (who are not the target of the message) to say it’s not offensive, blah blah.

Honestly OP, what are you afraid of? For all we know the poor lad thinks “woman” is offensive or summat. Put him straight.

MyCatHogsTheBed · 12/05/2019 00:03

I really don't think there is anything wrong with that message. If it had gone to my family not that we have a whatsapp group two of the women in the group have no need for a smear test.

FagashJackie · 12/05/2019 00:03

Vicky Phelan is great. I'm overdue a smear test and will book one now.

Cancer and women's bodies is a whole area of debate. I think we get a lot of testing as if there is something inherently wrong with us, or that we will accept being tested when men refuse the prostrate test. Our screening is invasive, smear or mammogram.

I'll get a smear though now. i hope to god that I've had a uterus up there the whole bloody time. As a uterus haver.

7Days · 11/05/2019 23:50

Its sickening really OP, it's an appropriation of other peoples' suffering.
It's the same tactic they used on the repeal the 8th campaign.

Anyway, reply nice as pie, scatter the word woman liberally through your response. Let the wokester be the one to insist on the changed language and show their tactic up in front of the family. Or let them roll over and accept your response, the rest of the family won't notice anything odd about your response

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/05/2019 23:50

Soup unfortunately growing up in Catholic Ireland, when parents didn't talk about periods, let alone a cervix, it's possible a lot of women don't know, or didn't untill they were pregnant. And yes Absolute I feel that is the end game, to eradicate the word woman.

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Absolutepowercorrupts · 11/05/2019 23:43

It's not really possible to be inclusive with language when the only people who have a cervix are women. As a pp said not everyone knows the correct name for parts of their anatomies. I'd just reply the word woman will do just fine. IMO using cervix havers and uterus havers just muddles language........... wait.... is that what the endgame is?
Maybe ask about prostrate havers, not relevant to your very specific question but maybe a way of highlighting the ridiculousness of using cervix/uterus havers

FrancisCrawford · 11/05/2019 23:41

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SoupDragon · 11/05/2019 23:39

They should just say women.

But that is actually inaccurate as some women do not have a cervix and a trans man might.

I find it depressing that a woman doesn't know what a cervix is TBH.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/05/2019 23:38

Endofthedays that's why I wanted to reply" say women, or else my partner will go to the doctor and
ask for a smear. " I have two kids now, I didn't know what a cervix was before I had them. Yes I know that sounds stupid, but I didn't. How many other women don't know.

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/05/2019 23:33

little And .... what would happen
I'm sure you've heard of GC womens life's and careers being ruined because of this.

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andyoldlabour · 11/05/2019 23:31

Whoever said this to the OP is a complete POS IMHO.
Sorry OP that you had to hear this from such scum.

Endofthedays · 11/05/2019 23:29

DD signed up for a surgery recently and the sign up form asked that people with cervixes check a box if they have not had a smear test.

She had no idea what cervixes meant. I doubt she was the only one, and many women will end up not getting checked as a result.

They should just say women.

floraloctopus · 11/05/2019 23:25

The occasional person without eyes gives the optician a miss.

My blind grandfather used to get a talking paper recorded by a neighbour, they read all the adverts too including one for an optician, he thought that was hilarious

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