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Police are criminalising opinions, say campaigners: The Times 11/05/2019

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/05/2019 20:14

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-are-criminalising-opinions-say-campaigners-2w6bskfdj

Glad Gilligan is covering this.

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SuffragettesStruggledForThis · 12/05/2019 00:37

*its definition of a transgender “hate incident” as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender”.

The definition states that “hate incidents” must be recorded “irrespective of whether there is any evidence to identify the hate element”. *

Am I understanding this correctly? Not only is a 'hate incident' not a crime (which might lead one to think it's no business of the police...), it doesn't even require any basis of actual hostility or prejudice? Only a case of a complainant alleging that B did or said something that while not illegal, the complainant took to be hateful?

Datun · 11/05/2019 23:55

I shall be supporting Harry the Owl. All the damn way.

Ereshkigal · 11/05/2019 23:37

Goodness:

twitter.com/MonochromeAdvic/status/1127327357335896064?s=20

NotTerfNorCis · 11/05/2019 23:34

Talking of fascism... Mimmymum this evening:

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. What they’re not entitled to is to duck the legal repercussions of voicing that opinion if it is against the law.

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1127326942255042560?s=19

Genderfreelass · 11/05/2019 23:31

With Maya's freedom of belief angle and Harry an co going for the freedom of speech angle this is reaching a far bigger audience. Huge amount of peaktrans in the comments with people not wanting to be told what they can/can't think and say 😊

boatyardblues · 11/05/2019 23:27

Considering the article hasn’t hit the print version yet, the volume of comments is pretty high and they are loading apace. Be interesting to see how it looks by noon tomorrow.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 11/05/2019 23:18

Well done Harry & all - much needed. Comments under the article are almost 100% in favour and horrified!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/05/2019 23:13

Theres gotta be a catch

Do i have to plop?

LangCleg · 11/05/2019 23:08

I can give you a quid if you like! Wink

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/05/2019 23:02

Oh

Well now im disappointed

LangCleg · 11/05/2019 22:46

Only ploppers on the relevant threads!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/05/2019 22:44

Wait what?

You give a pound everytime a plopper turns up on mumsnet

You must be proper rich!!!

It must cost shedloads!

woman19 · 11/05/2019 22:37

second to Germany in its tyrannical approach to censoring anything they consider un-PC
What examples of German 'censorship' are you thinking of?

LangCleg · 11/05/2019 22:25

By the way: my usual MO stands. Quid per plopper.

LangCleg · 11/05/2019 22:22

Here is the website:

www.faircop.org.uk/

Here is the Twatter:

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

Since the earlier crowdfunding link will likely be deleted, the first link may be helpful!

JQBased · 11/05/2019 22:18

Second to Germany in the Western world that is.

JQBased · 11/05/2019 22:17

It started 20 years ago and they have been gradually eroding the freedom of what we are allowed to say to the point now where I would say this country is probably second to Germany in its tyrannical approach to censoring anything they consider un-PC.

Macareaux · 11/05/2019 22:14

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OhHolyJesus · 11/05/2019 22:05

Talking about people taking offence, just in an FB row (it's as bad as twitter sometimes) and someone has 'taken offence' at some fact based evidence and links I shared and I just replied 'ok then'.

So pleased to read more great stuff from the Times again and all power to Harry, Kate, Caro and Glinner.

Genderfreelass · 11/05/2019 22:01

Good for Harry! The police have tried to intimidate him in to silence and it is fortunate that he isn't easily intimidated.

Fairenuff - I personally don't think the police should be trying to intimidate people who are not breaking any laws - by their own admission.

AnyOldPrion · 11/05/2019 21:55

”I don't think people are necessarily being 'harrassed'. I mean you could just put the phone down on them or not answer the door. No crime committed = nothing they can do about it.”

I disagree. Official contact from the police, criticising the actions you’ve taken and threatening to monitor your future activities is absolutely harassment.

If you haven’t broken the law, then the correct action for the police to take is to explain to the complainant that no crime has been committed. Then if they continue to complain without cause, the police should assess whether the complainant themselves is harassing the other party.

FannyCann · 11/05/2019 21:54

Harry's Fair Cop campaign

twitter.com/robjessel/status/1127308807607132160?s=21

NotTerfNorCis · 11/05/2019 21:54

If you're not committing any crime they can monitor all they want and nothing will come of it

In a democracy, the police don't normally tell people they think are innocent that they're 'monitoring' them.

Cuntysnark · 11/05/2019 21:51

Thank you TimeLady

TobyandLottiesmum · 11/05/2019 21:48

Please see the new thread about a group started by Harry the Owl and others and also on twitter as @wearefaircop. Just launched

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