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Police are criminalising opinions, say campaigners: The Times 11/05/2019

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/05/2019 20:14

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-are-criminalising-opinions-say-campaigners-2w6bskfdj

Glad Gilligan is covering this.

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HazzaTheOwl · 12/05/2019 12:16

Hi Everyone.

Just wanted to say thank you for your support and interest. I've written a Medium blog post if anyone wonders about my motivations in all this. It's on my Twitter feed. Hope you enjoy!

Datun · 12/05/2019 12:06

CatMiaow

As far as I know the crowd justice funding goes straight to the named individual for a specific purpose.

Not someone who can be decided willy-nilly throughout the process.

The other fund was raised by a third party for Glinner, who turned it down. It was always going to be openly speculative after that.

I'm not sure of the exact process here, but from what I understand this is a far more straightforward way of contributing.

CatMiaow · 12/05/2019 12:01

Can I please check, if you were on the thread about the fundraiser where someone is getting a mattress instead of legal support. @datun @genderfreelass Is this one safe. Saying no names but some of the same people are involved.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2019 11:59

Great to hear about all those good things Lang!

LangCleg · 12/05/2019 11:57

More than four thousand good things already!

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2019 11:43

Yes, "a woman is on the run as a fugitive, the police say she may be dressed as a man"

Confused
boatyardblues · 12/05/2019 10:44

^ In that evidence-giving example above, you’d be safer saying: “the offender appeared to be male, based on height, build and other features, but they were dressed in typical female clothing so may have identified as a woman” and leave the pokice to work out how to present the facts. Mind you, the clusterfuck that was the Lisa Hauwell ‘manhunt’ appeal description suggests its not easy when language becomes some mangled and demeaned.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39209982

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/05/2019 10:00

Too true.

Or to assume a person with a penis chasing a teenager around a car (whilst wielding a hammer) is a man and wow - hammer-person can see you in court!

I’m scared to witness any crime these days.

‘Can you describe the robber?’
‘Well, ermmmm, ‘they’ were wearing jeans and a t-shirt. ‘They’ were about 6”2. ‘They’ had a beard. ‘They’ ran down the high street screaming ‘kill the bitch’ and ‘call me ma’am’’.
‘Male or female?’
‘Hard to tell really... feeeeee-male?????’

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2019 09:55

But call John ‘Mary’ and all hell breaks loose.

Or rather Mary, "John". I don't see the cavalry galloping to protect many FTM trans people from the trauma of being disagreed with in the same way.

Popchyk · 12/05/2019 09:52

Sanchez Manning and Joani Walsh in the Mail on Sunday:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7018915/Businessman-launches-landmark-High-Court-battle-overhaul-official-rules-hate-crimes.html

"One of his three daughters – who is a police officer – was then told by a senior officer at Humberside that the force were continuing to monitor her father and mother’s Twitter accounts".

Police resources are being devoted to monitoring Twitter accounts (where the police has already acknowledged that no crime has been committed).

You'd certainly hope that all actual crime has been solved in Humberside if the police has time to monitor Twitter accounts.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 12/05/2019 09:51

I don’t understand how the police seem to have no power when crimes (I think they are) are actually being committed - cyber stalking, threats (veiled and otherwise), campaigns of bullying and doxing, sending food deliveries to their targets home, vexatious legal challenges, etc. But call John ‘Mary’ and all hell breaks loose.

Datun · 12/05/2019 09:51

*its definition of a transgender “hate incident” as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender”

WHO is transgender??? Not BECAUSE they are?

Surely that is a missed type, somewhere. They could be an absolute bastard, and they're saying that if they're trans you can't say so.

But yes, the whole thing is a nonsense. The trans ideology is something that I do feel hostile about. So how does that work?

Joisanofthedales · 12/05/2019 09:48

I have supported Harry the Owl. He's fighting for my right to shout out to the world my belief in biology and the right of women to maintain their boundaries. How could I not support him?

teawamutu · 12/05/2019 09:28

They're really not very bright, are they? It was mimmymum who inadvertently helped prove these opinions are defensible.

Ereshkigal · 12/05/2019 09:19

If you have an indefensible opinion, prepare to go to gaol' from Eresh's 23.37 Twitter ref.

IMHO believing that humans can change sex is literally indefensible: can't be defended by argument as it's such bollocks, being totally untrue.

Indeed. Although we would certainly not look forward to their jailing (and would consider it the serious miscarriage of justice it would be) like these genderist zealots fantasise about ours.

LangCleg · 12/05/2019 09:11

Good that Crowdjustice was chosen for the crowdfunding, I think.

Also 2,585 other good things but we're not supposed to mention them.

Apropos of absolutely nothing to do with any Twatter naysayers, I am surprised - and a little disappointed - not to see Miranda Yardley among the case studies on the website.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/05/2019 09:10

That twitter link Shock. But they wouldn't be the only ones to get to decide which opinions are indefensible.

teawamutu · 12/05/2019 08:43

If I was mimmymum I'd be keeping a VERY low profile on this particular issue.

Have supported Harry, man's a legend. Bring on the sunlight!

StoneRabbit2 · 12/05/2019 08:35

Crikey! I clicked on that Twitter link to see what it was about and apparently I am blocked. Have no idea who this person is nor have I spoken to them. This seems very weird and somewhat immature; akin to a four year old hiding behind a cushion convinced I can't see him either.

Sunkisses · 12/05/2019 08:15

The most concerning thing about all this is that if you are interviewed by the police at the behest of some malicious trans activist for some imaginary 'hate crime', then this is recorded on your police record as a "non-crime hate incident" (one of the most Orwellian phrases I have ever typed) even if you have done nothing wrong, and the case is dismissed by the police.

This is happening not only with trans but with other vendettas and grievances. Take the car of the elderly lady in her 70s who beeped her horn at a younger woman who was taking ages at a petrol station. The younger woman reported it as a "hate crime" as she was black and the elderly lady was white. The police say they were obliged to investigate and the poor older woman now has this on her record. Every year it is reported that "hate crime reports are up". Are they? Are they up, or are nasty, manipulative, cynical trans activists reporting every one they don't like? There should be a campaign to get this stupid legislation revoked, and police forces around the country should be made aware that they will be cynically used by trans activists to silence and harass political opponents.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elderly-woman-questioned-police-hate-13535704

Genderfreelass · 12/05/2019 08:05

"Indefensible opinions" like TWAW 😂😂😂

JessicaWakefieldSV · 12/05/2019 08:02

Well done Harry & everyone else involved.

GCAcademic · 12/05/2019 07:43

Quite often, my students write essays in which they are unable to defend their opinions. I guess I should be contacting the police every time I read one of these 😂

LaPufalina · 12/05/2019 06:55

My Times subscription cost doubled last month but I'm keeping it for articles like these.

AncientLights · 12/05/2019 04:42

'If you have an indefensible opinion, prepare to go to gaol' from Eresh's 23.37 Twitter ref.

IMHO believing that humans can change sex is literally indefensible: can't be defended by argument as it's such bollocks, being totally untrue. So can we look forward to mass jailings of trans believers? No, thought not.

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