Police are criminalising opinions, say campaigners: The Times 11/05/2019

Just talk past the idiots, Amalfimamma, otherwise they end up dominating entire threads.

What's for Breakfast
Neither Rob nor Harry are TR supporters. If you make statements like that please provide evidence

And actual, truthful stats would be a refreshing change.

Monitoring actual hate would be good. But if you're producing figures that you openly admit have nothing to do with anybody's actual, evidenced motivations, you're not doing that.

whatsforbreakfast

Welcome to the boards. That's quite a first message. Where did you get the idea either Harry or Rob were TR supporters. I've know both for a long time and have never heard nor seen them support TR.

I'm sure you've heard of slander, haven't you?

It's fabulous that someone is finally trying to redress the ways in which this makes statistics meaningless and how it can be weaponised in particular by abusive people with Duluth wheel behaviour patterns

Exactly. Litigious people getting a hard on by exploiting the rules has to stop.

And actual, truthful stats would be a refreshing change.

Originally read the titles as "Police are criminalising onions"...

Giving 25k to Tommy Robinson fans Harry and Rob to defend their right to free speech? What could possibly go wrong?

Bumping for 8,265 nice things.

We've been talking about the logging and investigation of so-called hate incidents being based on perception of others rather than actual motivation of perpetrators for a long time on here. It's fabulous that someone is finally trying to redress the ways in which this makes statistics meaningless and how it can be weaponised in particular by abusive people with Duluth wheel behaviour patterns in the same way that the family courts are often used by abusive men to continue to abuse their ex partners.

*CatMiaowi

"Thank you for replying @datun
I didn’t realise the other one was openly speculative. I just followed glinners tweet that made out half was going to women for legal fees. I feel like a thicko."

I didn't mean that it was known to be speculative. Sorry, I think my post was ambiguous.

Everyone has explained the difference in the two 'things', so I'll it there.

7,495 nice things. Go Harry!

@CatMiaow

I'd like answers to your q's but we can't ask on MN 😕

With regard to Harry the method they are using to get support is a lot better so I will support Harry but won't use the other support system again. Hope this makes sense!

@CatMiaow

Please feel free to contact me on here if you have any questions and I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge.

LangCleg you know I trust no-one so when I say that there's trust there you know it's true

I would trust Harry with my life. I don't trust my husband nor indeed myself with it

Aww. What a lovely thing to have said about you!

Great to see the amount steadily making progress hour by hour.

I joined twitter to contact all 3 of those people @amalfimamma they have all ignored me. But thank you for answering honestly and to those who sent a private messag. I can not stop asking what happened to my money and whether Kate got any but I will stop on this thread.

Credit where it’s due. It was my wife who turned my gaze toward this nonsense, reading me snippets about women being silenced in favour of privileged men colonising their spaces. ‘Mark my words,’ she’d warn, grabbing my attention during the Half Time ads. ‘This is the latest form of misogyny. No good will come of it.’

Good work, Mrs Owl. I've done the thing.

I haven't read the full thread but

1 funds are NOT going to glinner
2 glinner will have NO say over funds
3 funds will be transferred directly to legal rep as per crowd justice FOR
4 glinner, with others, gave their story they are not the organisers nor treasurers
5 I would trust Harry with my life. I don't trust my husband nor indeed myself with it
6 we are not allowed to discuss the previous fund on here but I'm sure if you ask glinner, or Ella, or better still Debbie on Twitter they'll fill you in .

I want to talk about this litigation and campaign.

I sympathise that there have been problems with a different crowdfunder but I'm going to be so fucking arsed off if constant harking on it - when two threads have already been deleted - means I can't.

Fucking stop it.

Glinner promotes a lot of GC causes. This one is not a general fund. It's specifically for Harry's case against the police. Glinner is involved with the Faircop campaign group, which is not the same thing. It's not his crowdfund.

Different fund in different platform supported and promoted by the same individual!!! Who I did not want to name and only did so as someone else named them. I am sorry for that. But Harry came on here and if he doesn’t know that he is doing this with someone who is ignoring many questions about what is happening to our money donated to the first fund then he should!!!

This isn't relevant to this thread. It's a totally different crowdfund on a different platform.

How do I find out about the other fund then @LangCleg? Everyone ignores it and gfm haven’t responded. I was told about the first fundraiser on here by some of the same people now encouraging donating to this next one. Which does sound like it is better run but someone ignoring questions about the old one is heavily involved!!! Whenever I ask I get told that everyone knew the old one had red flags. Well I didn’t and that makes me stupid but I’m not going to be thick about it again!!! I feel like I am going insane and it’s not right. I gave my birthday money which I badly needed for a hair cut because I felt so sorry for Kate. I do not want other mumsnetters caught out the same way. The same person involved in both makes it the same subject not a derailing like you say.

Good question Scottish doll, I assumed it would but maybe not. Anyone know whether it covers Scotland?

Glad Harry is getting lots of nice things 😊