Jezebel.com lumps GC feminists in with the alt-right

Justhadathought I know someone very like that. His interests are violent computer games and military history. To him, 'being a woman' means wearing dresses and high heels. It seems to me that he's an immature, nerdy guy who's been looking for 'what's wrong with him' and has found something that lets him be the glamorous victim with tonnes of online support. He's rushing into treatment - I really hope he doesn't regret it

I can see how that might happen. I also suspect that many young people on the Autistic spectrum are susceptible; and that certainly seems to be born out in the statistics.

Not going with Lang. Her food likes are disgusting

If we put together all the cash we’re getting from the right wing, ISIS & the Kremlin, you’d think we could afford to buy a decent-sized island or something.

Bring on TE*F island!

I haven't even had the much-promised spa weekend, FFS. It's almost like no one is coordinating this.

Yes, IME

Interesting! I'm assuming they do not suffer from dysphoria, though - do they? Is it just a fashion/special thing? What do you see going on?

Lots of people lived in the closet for years for fear of what people may think. Is it not logical that as society becomes more accepting, more people come ‘out’ rather than the numbers increasing?

Certainly what is happening with young FTM transgenders is that it is young lesbians who are transitioning. I have heard of reports of former groups of young lesbians being ravaged by their transitioning - leaving just one or two self identified lesbians left. Now I don't believe that is because being gay means you really in the wrong body - but that transgenderism is being pushed as the solution to gender non conformity.

Are there now many young, heterosexual men identifying as women?

Yes, IME.

I think the explosion in the number of men identifying as transgender is closely linked to the development of the internet and an equivalent explosion in porn.

Absolutely. And the advent of social media is when it really took off.

Justhadathought I know someone very like that. His interests are violent computer games and military history. To him, 'being a woman' means wearing dresses and high heels. It seems to me that he's an immature, nerdy guy who's been looking for 'what's wrong with him' and has found something that lets him be the glamorous victim with tonnes of online support. He's rushing into treatment - I really hope he doesn't regret it.

If we put together all the cash we’re getting from the right wing, ISIS & the Kremlin, you’d think we could afford to buy a decent-sized island or something.

A lot of MTF trans people aren't

Even the young ones? I know about the older AGP men.....
Are there now many young, heterosexual men identifying as women?

I think the person I mention is gay, though.

Saying that the numbers are increasing due to media etc is interesting, for example between 2015-2017 the number of people identifying as gay/lesbian/bi increased .3%, that’s quite a big jump in terms of numbers in only 2 years.

Lots of people lived in the closet for years for fear of what people may think. Is it not logical that as society becomes more accepting, more people come ‘out’ rather than the numbers increasing?
I think katlin Jenner said that in the 80s they had to pay off someone who discovered them as a woman, and only a few years ago felt ‘safe’ to come out.

All different types of woman are GC including Christian Right wings, my issue was with aligning with organisations fighting against woman’s rights issues, for a subject being posed as for woman’s rights. Feminists have a different angle to heritage foundation and imo that was blindly obvious and to combine the two questioned what side of history this was on.

Interesting thoughts re if transwomans brains were ‘female’ would they have more empathy for woman. Female socialisation/Male privilege is something that will also, always come into the equation. Nature/nurture etc. Link to study on brains - www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

I think a lot of the issues of trans rights conflicting with woman’s rights is no one quite knows where the line is. How can one ensure that history of oppression minority classes does not repeat itself while simultaneously protecting those that are already oppressed when a lot of the time, the two do conflict and something needs to give.

Your reply made me lol though, Prawn. Thanks. We need laughs. And

Personally think he must be gay.

A lot of MTF trans people aren't.

I think the explosion in the number of men identifying as transgender is closely linked to the development of the internet and an equivalent explosion in porn. The multitude of online groups dedicated to AGP creates a huge space in which men can interact, form echo chambers and build up a head of dysphoria

I have recently come across a young man - early twenties - who now identifies as a woman. Personally think he must be gay. He spends most of his time on a forum - on the boards which are dedicated to, for example, football and the 'recent pornography ban'. Populated entirely by men. Seems to have very little knowledge or even awareness of women's issues at all; and tells me that " I bet I know more prossies and porn stars than you do". He seems to have been suckered into a highly 'transgressive' and sexualised lifestyle.

Your reply was far better than mine, Persifleur and sets out how preposterous the original claim was.

You don't get it, do you? There's a vast baggy disparate mass of women with all kinds of different backgrounds - yes, black and white, young and old, atheists and Catholics, Muslims and Jews, Brexiters and anti-Brexiters - all of whom will defend the right to be gender critical.

So well put. My reply pure snark. I'm feeling particularly baggy and disparate ATM.

No intersex conditions are completely different as they are identified at birth and are not the same as transgender

Caster Semenya's condition wasn't properly identified until nine years ago.

People from across the political spectrum choose not to believe in a magical gender essence. Just like both right and left wingers choose not to believe the Earth is flat. Objective facts are politically neutral.

The trouble is that belief in a magical gender essence has been aggressively positioned as a progressive cause. That means people on the left are reluctant to question it, while people on the right are not, giving the impression that not believing in magical gender essences is a right-wing belief.

In fact, a lot of left-wing people don't believe in them either, but they know the dire consequences of admitting it.

I think the explosion in the number of men identifying as transgender is closely linked to the development of the internet and an equivalent explosion in porn. The multitude of online groups dedicated to AGP creates a huge space in which men can interact, form echo chambers and build up a head of dysphoria.

I think there was a study recently that said trans brains align more closely to that of their desired sex

If that had any basis in fact then you would expect to see far more empathy and understanding; whereas the opposite is true. Absolutely no real identification with women and their situation at all. It is all based on purely superficial understandings and projections of gendered femininity. Clothes, make-up, mannerisms etc.

And typically gendered masculine behaviours inevitable appear from behind the smoke and mirrors. Didn't Paris Leese proudly state that men travelled from around the country to have sex with 'her' ( for money, of course). I just can't imagine an actual woman boasting in such a way. And the hammer attack in Liverpool the other day - supposedly perpetrated by a 'woman' - turns out to have been perpetrated by a fifty five year old man dressed in a woman's cardigan. The film shows 'her' squaring up to the 16 year old girl in very masculine habit. ( apparently this person has acted as an advisor to Merseyside police on equality and inclusion issues......).

It's meant to be a hatchet piece on Julia Beck I guess. Silly author quoted her too much though

“When we get down to it, women and girls all share a biological reality,” she told a sympathetic Carlson. “We are all female. But if any man, if any male person can call himself a woman or legally identify as female, then predatory men will do so in order to gain access to women’s single-sex spaces, and this puts every woman and girl at risk.”

well yes. what's wrong with that?

I really shouldn't do this but
I think a lot of people like me will have moved away from the GC movement since the 'USA incident'...
Are you 12? Seriously, do you think that women's concerns about women's and children's wellbeing are governed by some kind of cabal? Really? You don't get it, do you? There's a vast baggy disparate mass of women with all kinds of different backgrounds - yes, black and white, young and old, atheists and Catholics, Muslims and Jews, Brexiters and anti-Brexiters - all of whom will defend the right to be gender critical.

I think a lot of people like me will have moved away from the GC movement since the ‘USA incident’

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

here are many disorders that cannot be explained or seen, how can you be so sure that transgender people are not suffering from a hidden malfunction at birth of being born with the mismatched reproductive organs and chromosomes?

Transgenderism as it presents itself today, is a modern creation.
The rate of transgendered people increases with its publicity & its promotion.

You may, also, as well ask are gay people suffering from 'malfunctions' - since at one end of the life span it is mainly young gay men and women who are transitioning.

The rate of older, male transvestites transitioning into full time 'womanly pursuit' is also on the increase - as transgenderism and transitioning becomes a contemporary 'thing' - and with the explosion on trans, and other types, of pornography.

Modern medicine and surgical technique have also fuelled a demand for body modification in response to personal feelings of discomfort, anxiety, dysmorphia, fetish etc. A whole industry, and professional careers, have been built around this post-modern ideology, funded by people such as J.Pritzker, and other prominent, and wealthy, transvestites and gay men.

The fact that the desistance rate is so high - and that many/most young people eventually do desist, puts paid to the idea that there is some biological imperative - and points to the fact that 'transgenderism' is actually a social construct.

I'm sure many billions of American dollars are being poured into finding some biological link, though. Seek and ye shall find.

beyond the ‘boring’ reponse of AHF on a loop.

Reality is often boring. Far better to indulge in wild unfounded speculation and pomo "words mean anything I want them to" flights of fancy when the truth is so prosaic.