Stephen Fry backs P Tatchell's call to revise sex education

O don't understand this at all. Surely good sex / masturbation is something you learn on the job so to speak.

Explicit details is not needed in school lessons - what is needed is far more about the importance of consent and mutual enjoyment

HorsewithnoPhD. Replace Terry with Doctor

What would they like to do - force an uncomfortable child to have wanking lessons? If they ask to leave, are these "specially trained adults" going to refuse? Creepy.

HorsewithnoPhD
It's Dr Christian Jenssen.

it would be great to see that up on that twitter thread
Someones posted it there
I saw it earlier this morning.

..a regular on TV with a name which is also a religion..

Terry Christian?

(I've really gone off Stephen Fry now.)

I taught dc about the facts of life when asked but I'm already uneasy with the level of detail gone into at dc high school, and the fact that they have mixed sex ed lessons.
My kid has come home and asked me about sexual practices he has heard about in the school yard, but also things learned in class
We discuss porn( I'm very clear on the ethical aspects and don't act like it's a given that boys watch porn, which seems to be the accepted norm)
We discuss respect, safe sex, emotional boundaries, peer pressure.
And yes, I have answered questions like "what is a blow job?".
I'm very honest but AGE APPROPRIATE and couch everything in "some people" and "there are no expectations in sex-only what is ok with you" etc.
It's a myth that all teen boys are porn addicted and gross. Some maybe, but a lot of young lads are actually quite freaked out by porn, and just as romantic as girls, thinking as much about their first kiss as anything graphic.
I wouldn't want either of these creepy bastards grooming my kid with their "sex education " lessons. It's not the job of adults to tell kids how to have sex.
Stephen Fry writes about his sex experiences at school in quite a shocking way. As for Peter Tatchell, he's on record with his disturbing thoughts on children and sex.
Frankly they shouldn't be anywhere near this subject.

Janie143-“While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive an harmful”

This guy is just hiding in plain view.WTF.

Vicky Earle if you have a screen shoot of the quote from Tatchel it would be great to see that up on that twitter thread.
With everything I’ve read online especially on this forum I have had sex an relationship chats with my lot and it’s a topic that’s now on the table any time. It’s not embarrassing and I don’t have to worry about anything untoward being pushed onto them as normal. BUT. They are in full time education. One will be going to secondary. I’m only half the story. I think parents should absolutely be able to opt out of these lessons for their children. Not all schools are going to be opting for level headed sensible sex Ed. It’s very very worrying.

*Ros Coward (Why Dares to Speak says nothing useful June 23) thinks it is "shocking" that Gay Men's Press has published a book. Dares to Speak, which challenges the assumption that all sex involving children and adults is abusive. I think it is courageous.
The distinguished psychologists and anthropologists cited in this book deserve to be heard. Offering a rational and informed perspective on sexual relations between younger and older people, they document examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal, beneficial and enjoyable by old and young alike.

Prof Gilbert Herdt points to the Samba Tribe of Papua New Guinea where all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood. Far from being harmed. Prof Herdt says the boys grow up to be happy well-adjusted husbands and fathers.

The positive nature of some child adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-western cultures. Several of my friends male and female had sex with adults from the ages of 9-13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.

While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive an harmful
Peter Tachell
Rockinham Street
London*

This is what PT wrote in 1997. The bit about the Samba Tribe is striking similar to what 2 well known Drs said on Twitter One of them being a regular on TV with a name which is also a religion, the other a bit known in some circles as Dr Haddock

I saw a doc with a Danish teacher running a class in the UK. She was great encouraged openness and challenged the boys in a very frank session

The more I read and hear of the experiences of Danish women, the less I see Denmark as the great bastion of progressiveness that it is made out to be.

Good sex can't be taught in a classroom, in the way that you might learn how to fix an engine. Good sex emanates from people with good heart and good intention, and people who have been damaged or abused in childhood, or at any stage in their lives, will carry over that damage into every area of their life, including their sex life. Sex is just one expression of the relationship between people.

One reason for starting at a young age is that many children now begin puberty between the ages of eight and 12. Long beforehand, they need to know about the physical and hormonal changes they will undergo and the feelings and desires they will develop. Keeping them ignorant threatens their happiness and welfare.
Children of all genders should share RSE lessons and not be segregated, to enable them to learn about each other’s bodies from the start, including boys learning about periods and girls learning about wet dreams

This seriously misguided and creepy stuff - that can only have been penned by someone who has no experience of teaching and no children of their own.

Most children experience pleasurable physical sensations and feelings when young. This is normal. But it is not appropriate to name and guide these nascent feelings at such a young age. I suspect that Peter Tatchell's own sexual history and experience is shaping his narrative here.

Chris Woodhead would never have tolerated this.

(Oh, hang on....)

Two childless men with weird views about sex, one of whom has stated that 9 year olds can have joyful sex with adults. Wouldn't want either of them within a fucking mile of my kids thanks.

It comes to something when not even his most aggressive MRA mates want to go anywhere near this one.

PT is hiding in plain sight.

“restricted rights of parents to withdraw their children” ?

Lolz.

Are people forgetting that Peter Tatchell claims to have friends who had sexual relations with adults at the age of nine and were fine with it?

Why would anyone let this person anywhere near sex ed?

I found this thread earlier and there were loads of replies on Twitter. Looked again now and there were only a few. Have some been deleted?

Why are over sixteens even having sex education?

Many are no longer even at school.

Point 15 teach 16+ everything including about practices some people will find distasteful. Can we not leave them in ignorance of kink? Those that have an interest will find their way & some will still be virgins.

Just reported my own posts for mis- information, but I was correct in what I said about P. T being friends with a member of P. I. E.
Here's the old thread about P. T.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3419058-Peter-Tatchell-excusing-sex-with-kids

Jeez my typos sorry

Anyway his letter to,the times defending sex with children is freely available on many sites

Very loud alarm bells ringing.
I am getting to the point where I don’t trust anyone to talk to my dds about sex and relationships .( Also the horror of teachers talking about this stuff...grim) .I simply don’t trust the ever changing agenda.

(No sex ed in my school, for which we were all truly thankful! )
There is an assumption that sixteen year olds will all be sexually active. I didn’t start my periods until I was sixteen, I was still in puberty then, physically and emotionally not fully grown at all. The vast majority of my friends didn’t have sex until university, a few of us, me included, were in our twenties. I feel we are shoving adult relationships onto children these days. No-one wants a situation where girls don’t know about periods , where biology is a total mystery, but this is so open to abuse, so tricky a line to tread.
I feel very uncomfortable that two gay men, one of whom doesn’t think sex between an adult male and a nine year old is always a bad thing, are trying to have an impact on what my young daughters are told about sex and relationships . They know nothing of girls, and of the difficulties of the teenage years for girls. They have never been pregant. My teenage years were marked by enormous pressure from adult men to have sex I wasn’t in any way ready to have. The more girls are made to feel that everyone is having sex, that sex while you are still a schoolgirl is what everyone does, the less they will feel they can resist that pressure. You don’t have to be asexual to not want a sexual relationship. Teaching boys about coercion and not pressuring girls would be helpful perhaps.
Some young people will be emotionally ready for a sexual relationship at sixteen, but many, i think even perhaps most, are not.
What I want for my daughters is the space to grow into adulthood, free from pressure to make choices they are not ready for.

Oh yeah
Tatchell said that some of his friends had sex with children from age 9- 13 and it was joyful

And it was time that society recognised that paedophilia was wrong but not all sex with children involving children was wrong and unwelcome