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Stephen Fry backs P Tatchell's call to revise sex education

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Imnobody4 · 10/05/2019 18:22

www.petertatchellfoundation.org/stephen-fry-backs-our-call-to-revise-sex-education/
I think this sounds reasonable but still some niggling suspicion. IF the quality and calibre of the training and trainers were beyond reproach, if there was a broad consultation beyond just LBGT I might accept it.
I'm pleased to see they acknowledge asexual. What do you think?

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TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 15/05/2019 00:15

Massively creepy and the more I read of his, the more horrified I am at the whole thing.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 15/05/2019 00:15

Massively creepy and the more I read of his, the more horrified I am at the whole thing.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/05/2019 17:04

Doesn't he realise how creepy it is?
You'd think so, enough people are telling him.

Justhadathought · 14/05/2019 16:39

Adults who sexually exploit youngsters often get away with it because the victims feel embarrassed or guilty about sex and are therefore reluctant to report it

Here Tatchell muddies the waters...He knows that there will be discussion of sexual abuse and exploitation and so he has to name check it; but he then goes on to insinuate that the reasons for children not reporting it, is because sex is seen as shameful. If only they were trained to know that sex was good and healthy, then maybe they would not feel so bad.......

Justhadathought · 14/05/2019 16:35

I think there's never been a more opportune time to be a gay man than now. Certainly in the West. And those with fame, influence and fortune no doubt band together in brotherhood and common cause - in the way that men always have.

FreeFreesia · 14/05/2019 16:30

You can tell I'm not happy I'm still googling.

Who knew Peter Tatchell is also a patron of the Humanists? (alongside Stephen Fry)

FreeFreesia · 14/05/2019 16:18

I'm going to say he doesn't care. The comments under that article told him straight 3 years ago.

Datun · 14/05/2019 16:12

Ugh. Doesn't he realise how creepy it is?

FreeFreesia · 14/05/2019 16:04

He's been banging the same drum for 3 years it seems
www.kaleidoscot.com/peter-tatchell-time-for-a-radical-rethink-of-sex-education-7678

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/05/2019 15:26

Could people start emailing and tweeting, Damian Hinds, education secretary.
www.damianhinds.com/contact
It seems like Hinds has young children so hopefully he will think the same as all of us, and pretty much everyone who has replied on twitter to PT.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/05/2019 15:21

PT is still tweeting about this.
I copied this just now so it was written just yesterday.
Peter Tatchell
@PeterTatchell
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19h
I've written to Education Secretary,
@DamianHinds
urging mandatory #RSE in every school, with no exemptions for faith or independent schools & a restricted right of parents to withdraw their children. RSE should mention both risks & pleasures of sex. SEE (link: bit.ly/2VkPg4O) bit.ly/2VkPg4O

Datun · 14/05/2019 13:51

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FreeFreesia · 14/05/2019 12:23

I always thought PT was hard Labour but he is a member of the Green Party. My mind is now making a connection between the proposal that children should be educated on sexual practices some will find distateful (his words) and furries in nappies officially on school timetable.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/05/2019 12:18

The outline of that play's horrific Datun. I see one of the reviews calls it a "chuckle provoking piece" so it evidently wasn't a critical play about abuse.

Given the levels of outrage over historical tweets / facebook posts by all sorts of 'celebrities' it does seem incredible that this has never been picked up before? And certainly suggests that the writer is not best placed to advise / comment on SRE for children.

FermatsTheorem · 14/05/2019 12:04

I don't think we should see this as exclusively a problem for gay teens. (Rich men advertising themselves as sugar daddies for instance...)

Teenagers of both sexes and whatever sexualities have a tough time of it. They are awash with hormones, struggling to make sense of very intense feelings of sexual desire for the first time (and with prefrontal cortexes - the bit that handles impulse control, assessing consequences, putting the brakes on harmful behaviour - a good decade away from maturity), surrounded by a totally fucked up society which commodifies sex and eroticises violence and power imbalances.

It's hardly surprising that they are incredibly vulnerable to grooming.

But the blame for that grooming - regardless of sex and sexuality - lies squarely with the mature adults in the pairing who exploit those vulnerabilities.

Justhadathought · 14/05/2019 11:00

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Datun · 14/05/2019 10:54

The play ends with the teacher and schoolboy moving to Morocco where the teacher ADOPTS the boy he has been abusing

I didn't read that far.

I'm hoping to God that no one will take this pair seriously.

But the fact Tatchell has spent time even formulating the ideas is astonishing.

Datun · 14/05/2019 10:53

Oh, Your username has just made sense to me !

Grin
SirVixofVixHall · 14/05/2019 10:52

The play ends with the teacher and schoolboy moving to Morocco where the teacher ADOPTS the boy he has been abusing. Grim, grim grim.

Datun · 14/05/2019 10:52

It's unbelievable, isn't it sirvix

SirVixofVixHall · 14/05/2019 10:51

Cross posted with Datun.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/05/2019 10:51

Bloody Hell, I’ve read the wiki page re Fry’s play. Why on earth is anyone letting Fry and Tatchel have any say in the sex ed of children ?

Datun · 14/05/2019 10:50

Fry's play plot

It turns out that Dominic has been taking Cartwright for 'extra Latin periods' in which Dominic engages in sexual liaison with the 13-year-old Cartwright. The headmaster's daughter has seen what has been going on. Dominic admits to this, and says that making love with Cartwright is the only way in which he can feel young.

Brookshaw says that he won't tell anyone about the illicit affair if Dominic sends all of his naughty students to Brookshaw himself, instead of to the headmaster, to be beaten; and secondly, if Dominic will beat him for two days a week.

Exactly the sort of well rounded, neutral individual you want giving your children sex lessons.

In partnership, of course, with a man who advocates sex with a nine-year-old.

Ffs

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin!_or_Tobacco_and_Boys

DrG · 14/05/2019 09:59

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littlbrowndog · 13/05/2019 21:51

And the children raped in schools every day

Where are fry and tatchell on this ?

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