WTF Times: 'schoolboys die in cliff fall'

Is it possible to report them to IPSO for breaching the guidelines.
Yes, I did earlier.

Maybe he didn't explicitly name the killer? But that doesn't seem to have inhibited the BBC's title.
WTF, errol? The coroner didn't name the killer when he ruled that Laura, Joaquin and Claudio de Figueira were unlawfully killed?? Of course he did. Last line of the article is “This is a terribly sad case and I think DS Flynn put it very well when he said that Adelino simply could not see a way forward,” Mr Cummings [the coroner] said.

And I see no mention of the story on the journalist's Twitter feed.

The comments are now missing from the page.

Another aspect I have just noticed is that the article tags are "religion" and "South America".

I've just looked again - intending to comment at TOL and can't see the comments. Have they been suspended?

Another aspect I have just noticed is that the article tags are "religion" and "South America".

This compares to their main story on pollution which has tags on Health, Michael Gove, UK politics, air pollution and pollution.

Coroner ruled they were unlawfully killed!!

Maybe he didn't explicitly name the killer? But that doesn't seem to have inhibited the BBC's title.

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

Coroner ruled they were unlawfully killed!!

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

Nope, that doesn't wash when the bbc headline is unambiguous.

Is it possible to report them to IPSO for breaching the guidelines. Good to see 90% of the comments are saying the same as here.

I remember the thread when this happened (I think. Link isn't working for me right now).
I'm fucking sick and tired of this shit. Every day there's something to be angry about. And with good cause.
RIP to the victims again and god give their poor family strength.

Has the journalist responded to tweets?

Not so far :(

Has the journalist responded to tweets?

Not so far :(

I once read a headline, something like lovesick man kills ex-girlfriend. He brutally hit, kicked and stabbed his ex while shouting “say you love me” after she had escaped him. Obviously he was really lovesick and not just an evil, sick and abusive monster .

Family annihilation is not the sole preserve of the man; there have also been cases of women doing this to family members too. This is a societal issue and one we cannot readily put down to some random act of lunacy.

Are there any stats on the ratios?
And it would be interesting to see whether the reporting tend to be similar or not.

The bbc has an accurate title, and doesn't make excuses for the man.

'Birling Gap deaths: Man stabbed wife before killing sons'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48199547

My god, this is horrendous. Those poor, poor kids and their poor mother. My heart breaks.

Agree with previous posters, I thought there had recently been a change that meant these stories couldn't be reported like this?

This is: Man kills his wife and then his children - I can't see how the headline can be anything else.

Here are the Level Up guidelines all papers are supposed to have adopted:

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Interesting that the Fail, again, has better reporting. The change of editor really does seem to have made a big difference. I think perhaps it's time to stop apologising for posting Fail links.

Also interesting: the Guardian, increasingly predictably, hasn't even noticed. I really think women should give up entirely with them.

@JaneJeffer

Talk about coincidence

They are who I was talking about

Make a complaint at www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

I tweeted Karen Ingala Smith about it earlier and she's just tweeeted The Times.

I fucked off daily with this misogynistic tripe.

Man murders his wife, drugs his kids and probably pushes them off a cliff, and he’s the one who deserves sympathy? No.

I don't see a "why" in the headline.
The why is the reason: ie the man had a crisis of faith.

For everyone asking who the journalist is, why don't you click on the link to find out? It only takes a second to find his Twitter name.

If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been.

The Times ends with: "He [the coroner] said they been killed unlawfully in a particularly savage and brutal attack and recorded that Mr De Faria had died by suicide."

So The Times had no constraints. I've emailed to complain, anyway.

The coroner has ruled that they were unlawfully killed, by their father. Why has the Times chosen not to report that?

The mail seem to have no issue reporting it as murder. I appreciate the mail isn't the greatest of publications, but it appears they have stuck to the guidelines here.

I’m not for a minute defending the article or the journalist responsible, but I wonder if he’s limited by legal considerations in what he’s allowed to say?
If the coroner hasn’t ruled that the woman was murdered by her husband, the Times might not be able to state categorically that she has been. I think they might have just stated the facts of the case and left readers to draw their own (obvious) conclusions.
There is also the possibility that the man was mentally ill. Depression can lead patients to believe that the world is awful, and that their DC would be better off dead. I recall one tragic case locally, where a mother with PND threw herself and her 2 DC in a pushchair off a cliff top. It’s easy to judge, and I agree the man may well have been a misogynist abuser, but he could equally well have been seriously mentally ill. The Times I think is trying to be carefully neutral and reflective in its reporting, which is one of the reasons I subscribe to it.