WTF Times: 'schoolboys die in cliff fall'

I wrote a letter (email) of complaint to editor and reporter.

The Editor is the person to target. The reporter will have no control over the headline picked

I still do not understand why newspapers do this with domestic violence stories. The truth is more newsworthy sounding, it’s normally hard to find headlines turned down and not up.

Um, why can I no longer access the Times website? I’m a subscriber!

Maybe you've cleared cookies or something like that and need to log in again? I find I need to re-login to the app occasionally for no apparent reason.

The journalist tweeted someone, I'm assuming Venezuelan press, earlier today, asking for more info on Laura. I think the article will develop or hopefully be replaced by a victim-friendly version.

The headline was shit, so is the content of the article.

It probably wasn't the reporter who chose the headline. The copy editor usually does that.

Um, why can I no longer access the Times website? I’m a subscriber!

I wrote a letter (email) of complaint to editor and reporter.

"Inexplicable puzzle" I can explain it . . . The male in the relationship murdered his wife and children then killed himself. His reasons for doing so are a complete insignificance because they provide no defence for what he did. Isn't there now some regulation regarding press reporting on criminals who commit murders of this particular MO? That title is appalling it reads like an accident.

I know I had the same reaction when I read this - the mother was brutally stabbed and the boys were drugged and thrown to their deaths.

They really are the lowest of the low

It's a the ultimate outcome of domestic violence. The result of misogyny. If they started recording DV and men's murders of their female partners and children as hate crimes, the statistics on hate crime would go through the roof. That's why they are left unanalysed because It wouldn't do to see how much women are hated in our world.

Ffs, they were murdered

I loathe family annihilators. I think half the time they only commit suicide to avoid retribution for the murders they've committed, because they're fucking cowards.
But yes, it's all about power and control - they have the power to take the lives of the people linked to them, so they do it because they have to be "in control".

Fuck all of that.

The police couldn't find 'one specific reason for what happened'.

Allow me to help:

it's MALE VIOLENCE !!!!!

What the fuck is it with men like this. Take your own life if you must (and it is of course tragic for anyone to even consider such a thing) but your children and wife’s lives are not yours to take. Monsters they truly are.

Women have killed their children but it's vanishingly rare for a woman to kill her male partner and her children. Family annihilation is a male crime. It's about male belief in ownership of their wives and families, to do with as they will.

The Indpendent article linked upthread describes what is going on in the mind of a man who does this:

"typically escape routes are blocked, and a time chosen when the family are near-at-hand, sleeping or watching TV. Keys are hidden. Those who rush upstairs are pursued. And those who rush downstairs are trapped. Elaborate precautions are taken that a getaway car is not to hand – except for the killer’s use. Also, that killer needs to be faster down the street were one of his intended victims to achieve temporary freedom."

It's an execution. Nobody is to escape.

Its alarmingly common amongst men, Goose. Ultimate male violence. Significantly rarer for women and usually linked to postnatal psychosis or other genuine mental problems.
Women aren't statistically violent. I don't believe men do this because they lose control, they do it to demonstrate control. Bastards.

A bit more than “somewhat” more common.

My understanding is that it is somewhat more common for fathers to kill families like this, but it's not at all unheard of for women either. There are a variety of reasons but mental illness is a significant one.

Hugely disappointing response from The Times. They should have removed the article instead of the comments.

I’ve been reading the Times a lot more recently thanks to Janice Turner and others, so I’m really disappointed by this.

They’ve deleted all the comments and switched off commenting!

Bit not altered the headline or edited the report in any way.

Silence the critics and pretend it’s not happened, that’s the way to do it, right, Mr Punch?

Level up have picked up on it now
I emailed them this morning about it.

My reading is that the killer was heavily implied and perfectly obvious, but perhaps not explicitly named. But that wouldn't imo excuse the times report cf bbc.

This piece was highlighted via the 'best of news' section in the app version ... I had to scroll a long way down the midday web version to find it, wonder where it was earlier?

Level up have picked up on it now, I can't imagine they'll let it go so expect the headline, and hopefully the article, to be edited at some point!