WTF Times: 'schoolboys die in cliff fall'

@Loopytiles OK, maybe ‘root cause’ wasn’t the correct choice of words - what I meant was yes the reporting is dreadful, biased towards the male muderer, all the things that have been said in this thread, and of course the reporter and the newspaper should take responsibility for that. But what on earth was the coroner up to..??!! This is a member of the UK judiciary, and he also seems to have had a clear bias towards or pity for the the murderer. Shouldn’t we be equally concerned about that? Or even more concerned...?? The whole thing’s fucking appalling frankly, but I think this thread is chucking all the shit at The Times and the Coroner’s getting off much too lightly.

Loopy and yet they don't. Media and CJS are closely related.
Now I'm so glad to hear that most of the people you've come across are on it, unfortunately in my role I've been left saddened by the attitudes of some of those in the same sectors but that's another thread. But more than that, it's at an institution level, not individual level. The culture needs to change. I agree with your post.

Hmm! I guess he's given up finding out any more information about her.

Having Googled, the poor woman was from Venezuela, her children were born there, but they and her husband had Portuguese citizenship. They'd only been here a year, so perhaps she was quite isolated.

Yes, you don't need detailed knowledge of the victim to condemn the perpetrator.

The media it not “only holding up a mirror”: articles could easily focus on the crimes, the victim and the broader problem of domestic violence. as PPs have highlighted there are guidelines for journalists - not hard.

stupid prick.

ColdFingered - 'Journalist' David Brown has removed the tweet you posted, and all replies!

The media is only holding up a mirror to the entire patriarchal criminal justice system. This is an institutional problem. I don't know how it can be tackled when the police, coroners, judges, prosecution, politicians, newspaper editors, etc are all geared towards finding reasons and justifications for males raping and killing women (I'm generalising now, not just speaking about this case) and victim blaming.

Awful awful article minimising murder. Just in case this hasn't already been posted, here's how to complain about articles in the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/editorial-complaints-tm6hndxr5s3?shareToken=bd1379f1f267917e34de38248745d48e

Yes, it's like a tick-box exercise. Remove old tweet, and replace it with one suggesting he has an interest in the victim - but without any true intent...

Yeah. Bonkers way to go about getting info.

The journalist tweeted someone, I'm assuming Venezuelan press, earlier today, asking for more info on Laura.
That's interesting. I'm not on twitter, but he's put a gap between the @ sign and the name of the account he's tweeting. Does that mean that it won't actually be seen by the person??? So won't get any relevant replies???
See twitter.com/DavidhBrown
I've attached a pic.

This article has more info: www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/twickenham-dad-drugged-family-murdered-16243701

The killer's suicide notes read

*'I’m so sorry. I cannot let my children live any more in a world of despair, endless pain and suffering'.

"There is no hope in this life. I cannot find God to get faith and hope."*

'I cannot let'? That's telling.

And the corner also said: "He was a family man, but there’s something clearly on his mind at that time in relation to the letter that he wrote to family, that he had become very disillusioned with his outlook on life and potentially so there was no fall back, no hope and I say presumably, that pushed him down this path where the actions that he took were clearly wholly and grossly wrong but it’s quite hard.

"I think he could not see a way forward."

But 'it's quite hard'?? WTF was 'quite hard'? Incredible that so much sympathy is being shown to him.

It was the police officer and coroner quoted who said that. Their quotes are a concern too, focusing on the perpetrator’s motivation and concerns.

He couldn’t see a way forward

I'll fix that.

He couldn’t see a way forward and so, because he was a violent, controlling abuser who felt his wife and children were his property, not people in their own right, murdered them before he killed himself so that they could not live after he was dead.

There you go, The Times. They call it coercive control leading to family annihilation, dontchaknow. It's against the law, dontchaknow.

I’m wondering about complaining to or about the coroner too. But first need more info.

wow there are no words, God rest there souls

He couldn’t see a way forward

Well f**k off then and leave don’t start making your mind up for other people.

Maybe he couldn’t find God because he thought he was God taking away other peoples lives

It's worse than inaccurate, it seeks to excuse murder

So the dad murdered the kids and stabbed the mother?

Why is the info so badly presented?

Why isn't it factual?

Abused family drugged and violently murdered in sustained and vicious calculated attack by cowardly vindictive father.

Disgusting article. How dare this drivel pass as Times standard reporting? Speak for victims not their fucked up murderers.

Awful, awful reporting and perpetuating the lie that men who kill are simply misguided souls who believe they are doing right by their families.

This was murder. Thoroughly planned, highly organised and committed in cold blood by a nasty controlling piece of shit.

There were many comments under the article (saying about the same as what's said here) and then they disappeared, without any amendment to the article or its title (which were written by different people). Is this the sort of thing that the Press Gazette covers? Or Private Eye? "Down the memory hole" used to be about articles, but now it's whole comment threads too.

That is just absolutely fucking disgusting. I’m absolutely appalled.

It's a the ultimate outcome of domestic violence. The result of misogyny. If they started recording DV and men's murders of their female partners and children as hate crimes, the statistics on hate crime would go through the roof. That's why they are left unanalysed because It wouldn't do to see how much women are hated in our world.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

In an ideal world I also think the words "wife" or "partner" or "children" shouldn't be used in these headlines. "Man kills woman and two children" captures exactly what happened. No need to make their existence referential to his.