Rape Crisis Centre 'likes' tweet calling women hateful bigots

Oh yes thanks Charley Having looked at my original letter I think it was the scot gov guidance I meant to say. All equally awful.

Small correction: this particular guidance predates the LGBT Youth guidance for schools by about a year. (See last page of PDF).

Did this absurd statement get challenged, or is it still out there for the purposes of indoctrinating children with gender ideology?
The whole document was the most dreadful 'guide'I have ever seen. It used huge chunks of that other utter abomination -the schools guide from LGBTscotland. I wrote a lengthy letter to
FV health authority with the help of comments from women on here. The only point they conceeded was that sex and gender were conflated in the document and they thanked me for pointing it out. The rest of their reply was the usual woke bullshit and total blanking of the questions I raised. Makes my blood boil still, remembering it.

"I am a mother" = not something said by transwomen who respect womanhood.

I first heard about it at the WPUK meeting in Edinburgh in February 2018, where one of the speakers, who works in ASN, mentioned that this was the guidance they had to follow, ie it was being used as of 15 months ago.

I've just found the thread where the document Charlie quoted from was discussed before.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101245-NHS-Transgender-guidance-for-schools

The thread is from 2017. Does anyone know if this 'guidance' is still being used?

allmywhat if you scroll up to my previous comment, the very last word is the link to the document in question.

It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth. Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

Charlie - WHAT? Fucking hell. This is the worst thing I've ever read... well okay once I've calmed down it's probably only the worst thing I've read this week. Where is it from? Do you have a link?

So you teach special needs kids pink and blue gender stereotypes specifically so they can decide if they want to reject them or not.
And I suppose if they want to reject them then you pump them full of meds and sterilise them.

And if they don't want to reject them, well, that's ace, you've done a fantastic job deliberately socialising potentially oddball kids with restrictive gender stereotypes, under the guise of dismantling them.

Dont forget both Women's Aid Scotland and Rape Crisis Scotland have publicly supported trans women accessing women's services, as has Women's Aid Wales.

It is only Women's Aid Federation England, and Rape Crisis England and Wales who haven't formally done this, through the device of saying that member organisations decide for themselves. And many are trans inclusive. The recent round of funding for VAW services showing that very few had women only services.

And Mridul asked to be invited to Joan McAlpine's meeting in Parliament with Meghan Murphy - only I think Mridul rather expected to meeting royalty!
twitter.com/mridul_wadhwa/status/1124053713226739714

Someone told me that this rape crisis centre is actually run by a transwoman.

This appears to be the manager: www.studentnewspaper.org/an-insight-with-mridul-wadhwa-into-working-in-a-rape-crisis-centre/

It's about who's running the social media accounts as much as anything else. Organisations tend to get v young 'woke' interns in to do this as they're seen as being more tech-savvy

I came on to say this.
Twitter accounts of orgs are usually run by University interns or ppl of that Calibre.

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

I remember this being discussed on here. Did this absurd statement get challenged, or is it still out there for the purposes of indoctrinating children with gender ideology?

To an extent aren’t youth movements always co-opted by older people for their own ends? I’m thinking of the 60s free love movement

Yes, they probably are - the 60s free love movement would have been particularly attractive to older men.

And this what can happen in groups run for transgender young people:

There was an upper age limit (somewhere between 21-25) but it was a pretty small group, usually fewer than 10 people; so when people aged out they just stuck around. I guess others learned that the age limit wasn’t being enforced because more and more older (30-40 year old) MTFs started to join.

I remember one day, there were three MTFs over 40 who were hitting on the teen FTMs, very explicitly.

It was very common for the group to discuss the logistics of sex before and after SRS, kinky sex, and erotic fanfiction... I know of at least three FTMs who entered into relationships with older MTFs while in this group, all of which seemed very unhealthy to me. To me, FTMs under 18 dating or sleeping with (usually kinky) MTFs over 20 seemed very sexually exploitative. Healthy boundaries between adults and minors were foreign to this group, much like in the greater queer and trans community.

4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

To me as an autistic woman this is incredibly toxic discourse.
It's weird self advocating as an autistic person and having to avoid lots of groups supporting autistic people because of casual anecdotes from parents who enforce gender norms on children like shaving girls' legs.

Forth Valley is also where one of the first (or the first) guidance for schools came from on supporting children who identify as trans. Full of the usual nonsense, but the worst was this little gem on teaching children with special needs about gender identity. And I quote:

Please note: by age 2 or 3, a child starts to develop a sense of being a male or female. Some children with a learning disability/additional support needs, however, may not develop gender awareness at the same age and stage as their peers. It is important that children with ASN are actively taught gender identity so that they understand the gender assigned to them at birth.

Conversely, this often requires blatant ‘boy/girl’ activities. However, once a child understands the gender assigned to them at birth, teaching and practice can diversify to include non-stereotypical approaches and allow the child to explore their True Gender identity.

Someone who worked there said in practice that meant taking valuable time away from teaching children, who are often profoundly delayed in their development, how to feed themselves, dress, interact with other to help them function as best and independently as they possibly can. And all to teach them an unnecessary, unscientific, religious concept centered on a dis-embodied consciousness inhabiting the wrong body. It has zero practical value to these children, but as you can see above from the wonderfully obscure way they worded this that it involves forcing them to play with toys or engage in activities stereotypically associated with their sex.

And the whole damn guidance starts with the preposterous untruth that we cannot influence a child's gender identity. Execrable bollocks. You can download the PDF here.

Oldcrone TRAs need stereotypes otherwise gender really is just a load of rubbish. So trying to get rid of stereotypes is dangerous for them, if any males wear nail varnish, pink scarves and heels then they are no longer special.

'We view sexual violence as gender-based violence'

www.forthvalleyrapecrisis.org.uk/news/blog/equal-recognition-campaign/

www.forthvalleyrapecrisis.org.uk/news/blog/international-womens-day-2017/

Have a look at FVRC blog posts. I'm sure from memory they put something out during the consultation...

To an extent aren’t youth movements always co-opted by older people for their own ends? I’m thinking of the 60s free love movement

if you disagree with someone on one point, you’re not allowed to listen to them about anything else at all

This is the problem with letting the kids run the social media accounts. They tend to be members of a 'tribe', and follow whatever the view is of the tribe, rather than just thinking for themselves about which bits of the tribal view to support and which to reject. Because of course if they don't agree with everything they might be cast out by the tribe.

What will it take for the idealistic youth to realise their progressive, tolerant and 'woke' movement has been taken over by middle aged men with fetishes, who are neither tolerant nor progressive?

Just thinking on how it's got this far - young people want to be edgy and different, and not like their boring parents. The 'boring parents' (middle aged women) are warning them about what's going on, but the kids rebel. Some older people (middle aged men with fetishes) are encouraging the youth movement - they're joining in, not being the boring parents warning their kids of danger - so they're seen as OK.

Oh, random some at the end there

But OldCrone, if you disagree with someone on one point, you’re not allowed to listen to them about anything else at all

Surely we have learned this lesson by now from all the people who come to tell us off about linking to daily mail or spectator articles?

Down with some plurality!