Rape Crisis Centre 'likes' tweet calling women hateful bigots

As a rape survivor I am absolutely questioning the motivation of any male person who does that. It's appalling that it is considered "inclusive".

As validation. No different to what VRR fought so long and hard against. There is no reason for MTF trans people to force their presence on already traumatised women who may be distressed by it. Not if they see women as anything more than props, and have a scintilla of human decency and respect for women, anyway.

Forth Valley Rape Crisis will ensure that the needs of all trans* people are respected and fully integrated into service delivery and that we can support potential/appointed trans women who volunteer and are employed to fully participate in the feminist movement.

So, they let men work there. With rape victims. Hmm.

I think we have to be really careful about demonising services where it's clear most/all staff are trying their best.
But I don't think anyone should be strategising around how to avoid being targetted by transactivists. They're weirdos on the internet mobilised by a few very clever people, but they don't have to be given all the power in this situation.

Honestly this has been going on since 2005 for me and more and more makes me think we need to get back to different, more sustainable structures for charities and social entreprises and more generous attitudes from people who think they should exist.
If somebody can raise 60k in a couple of days for a worthy cause from GC people, why not 400k a year or thereabouts to run a service that has integrity and works to heal survivors.
VRR do a lot of can-rattling and that's fantastic outreach as well as fundraising.

Yes but they're not a target for transactivists.

Men's sheds get plenty of funding

Sorry Charlie, I don't know how I missed that - I think the red mist descended before I got all the way through to the end of your comment!

You could fund a service without equalities funding though. Maybe not a rasac/rape crisis but... possibly. Big lottery, robertson trust etc.

I'm not sure you'd get lottery money without "inclusion" would you?

Someone doing it under duress wouldn't have worded that statement in such a horrible manipulative way, demonising women who care about women's rights. This is TRA propaganda. I suspect, like Wadhwa there are other TRAs who've inserted themselves into these services.

I navigate the same funding difficulties as the rest of us in the sector. I think there's scope for a trans inclusion policy to say, for example, 'we are inclusive to all female people with experience of a girlhood, no matter their gender identity or lack thereof' or similar.
You just have to have a policy. It doesn't have to be both sexes.
You could fit ours on the back of an envelope tbh and we refer to whatever it was in all our bids dated after we wrote it.
You could fund a service without equalities funding though. Maybe not a rasac/rape crisis but... possibly. Big lottery, robertson trust etc.

Bear in mind that in Scotland all women's orgs have had to sign up to trans access/the kool aid for their services to protect their govt funding. No trans, no cash. I'm not sure how things are working in practice/private, but in public we're all woke...

No, it isn't just you. What a manipulative statement.

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/blog/standing-up-for---and-standing-with---services-scotland-can-be-proud-of/

Is it just me or does this suggest that if you criticise the trans inclusion statement you don't care about victims?
Because surely a great proportion of us who are criticising it are rape victims ourselves.

They seem to also be using the 'if you don't agree, there will be suicides' threat. I've heard that one before.

Also the idea that most MTF trans people are in any danger of their cover being blown is... well.

Caitlin Logan isn't particularly well informed. Just woke.

Caitlin Logan's tweet thread there states:

"Legally, employers can’t ask people if they’re trans and if they know, they can’t disclose it to anyone. "

Yes employers can ask, specifically where a Genuine Occupational Requirement exists.

I believe this person deliberately wanted to stress that. Element of duping delight I think.

Bloody hell. This is what Wadhwa - a TW running a rape crisis centre - has to say in the interview linked by howonearth above :
The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.”
No words Some of the rest of the interview is also pretty horrendous when you consider who it's coming from.

It's so weird. They know they're not wanted in women's spaces, they're told so over and over again, and the response is to force us to lie, pretend we don't notice. Nothing says 'male' like not taking No for an answer.

Wadhwa also retweeted a thread about the event which contained this:

I only hope that if anyone who is undecided in this discussion goes to that event they will learn that Meghan Murphy is not someone they want to be associating themselves with. It might even show them that her arguments are not being made in remotely good faith.

The tweeter goes on to say how terrible it is that people can't pretend to be the opposite sex on their birth certificate more easily..

So basically I see this as bringing this piece of legislation up to date with other legislation and practice and ensuring people’s human right to privacy is respected. Given what we know about the discrimination & harassment trans people face, this is especially important.

But not women's privacy and dignity to be in a female space without men when vulnerable it seems. We can go fuck ourselves. Even though we know about the discrimination and harassment women face, it isn't important.

Whole thread:

Caitlin Logan (@_CaitLogan) Tweeted:
twitter.com/_CaitLogan/status/1124273045043077122?s=17

It's completely inappropriate that this person is using being head of a rape crisis centre in Scotland to push for trans rights to the detriment of women's.

Yes, indeed, ArcheryAnnie.

And the irony of transwoman Mridul Wadhwa saying:

@JoanMcAlpine how do I get to attend the Meghan Markle event at parliament? As a feminist, trans woman of the SNP who has worked in the VAW sector for 14 years, it would be helpful for me to hear a different perspective.

Are they being ironic? Or is this person actually unable to distinguish between Meghan Markle and Meghan Murphy?

FFS!

Rape Crisis centres were created by women, for women, and often those women who worked so hard to create those resources were time-poor, money-poor, energy-poor, but they did it anyway.

And now men are stealing those resources, and women are so desperate to be complicit in enabling men to perform that theft.

Makes me weep.

Mridul asked to be invited to Joan McAlpine's meeting in Parliament with Meghan Murph

We could perhaps compile a list of Qs that could be put to Mridul, especially as they're keen to attend this meeting. I fully expect they'll also be at the Engender/STA/women's aid/rape crisis etc. Msp meeting on the 4th June. A comprehensive list of Qs for the MSPs attending would be most instructive I think.