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Quakers and Girl Guiding

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ElinorRigby · 07/05/2019 09:19

Excellent article here by Helen Watts.

Inspired by the Guides? A response to The Friend. by Helen Watts link.medium.com/e3A7fpXTtW.

The Friend is a Quaker magazine and Quakers generally have gone very woke re Trans Women are Women etc...

If anyone reading this is a Quaker with children in the Guides, feel free to DM me, as I'd be happy to hear from you.

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theOtherPamAyres · 07/05/2019 16:56

@Diane Flowers

Loved your letter about self i/d. It goes right to the heart of the choice for Quakers:

Asking us to believe a person must be whoever they say they are is a demand to abandon truth and discernment

(whispers) Love you on Twitter too. You rock!

dianebrewster · 07/05/2019 16:16

I have been a Quaker for over 30yrs, like many other quakers I am also a scientist. Like many other Quakers I am also gender critical.

Quakers, in my view, are suffering from the same influx of woke ideas as every other organisation. "Training" bought in from Stonewall and Mermaids leading to policies coming from the top down. Totally at odds with our traditions of discernment at a local level.

Most quakers are people who want to be kind and so there is no heated debate - but I assure you lots of us are very angry.

As for the Young Friends statement. They are young.

louiseaaa · 07/05/2019 15:52

I would like to point out that Quakers are discerning the truth of gender identity within their meetings and that not all (many?) are in agreement as this letter published in the friend explains

thefriend.org/article/letters-22-march-2019

Goosefoot · 07/05/2019 14:31

Lots of things have no basis in science. Mathematics. Metaphysics. Logic.

Even the philosophy of science isn't based in science - that would be a circular argument.

Quakers have a fine tradition of rational thought, but in the 20th century they have been overtaken, like many other groups, with some Bad Ideas that make clear thinking very difficult.

theOtherPamAyres · 07/05/2019 13:31

Lots of Quakers belong to the Green Party, including Molly Scott Cato an MEP for the south west.

ArcheryAnnie · 07/05/2019 11:16

It's an excellent article.

Redshoeblueshoe · 07/05/2019 11:09

That's excellent.
I did find the love comments rather creepy

Genderfreelass · 07/05/2019 11:00

Wonderful article, well done Helen 😊

LangCleg · 07/05/2019 10:34

That is an impressive article by Helen. Wish I could write like that!

Seconded.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 07/05/2019 10:11

That is an impressive article by Helen. Wish I could write like that!

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ElinorRigby · 07/05/2019 09:54

I think it's very easy for secular people to just decide religion is bonkers so anyone who is part of a religious group deserves what they get. But I'd argue that feminism is about supporting women and girls in a variety of endeavours - not just the ones we personally approve of.

In fact Quakers while holding spiritual beliefs have also been very prominent in scientific endeavour. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_in_science

And as they have never had (male) priesthood they have traditionally been at the forefront when it comes to female equality...

They've also had a good track record when it comes to gay rights. So very sad to see them (currently) making the wrong call on this one...

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/05/2019 09:42

Not sure how far she'll get given that Quakers already believe in something that has no basis in science ...

littlbrowndog · 07/05/2019 09:36

This is very good by Helen. Sums it all up

No such thing as a trans kid. Yes exactly

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