I saw Jeremy Corbyn talking to Goody Adult Human Female

Thanks, but says page missing or removed. Guessing is a membership thing as you say.

As a complete aside, can I just say that while I find Terf a profoundly ugly word, in look, sound and intent, I am rather fond of the recently coined plural 'terves'. It puts me in mind of Middle Earth and Dwarves and Elves...

Yes! I proper love ‘terves’ - not only because of all the things you say above FloralB, but also because pluralising it according to usual grammar rules (hoof/hooves dwarf/dwarves) demonstrates how terf isn’t being used as the innocent acronym that anti woman activists claim it to be - if it were, the plural would be ‘TERFs’.

Teawamatu - this might be a direct link - not sure if it’s viewable if you aren’t a group member:..

www.facebook.com/groups/LabourPartyForum/permalink/2164822276947512/

It’s not my job to do anything for politicians.

DuMondeB is it closed? I'd love to see it...

Sharron Davis thread is amazing!

Watching / reading people learn about AGP.

As a complete aside, can I just say that while I find Terf a profoundly ugly word, in look, sound and intent, I am rather fond of the recently coined plural 'terves'. It puts me in mind of Middle Earth and Dwarves and Elves...

There is an excellent thread in a 16k member Labour Party facebook at the moment - a transwoman shared that bonkers MayDay article about the women with their AHF banner and almost all of the comments are pro women and criticising TRA ideology. The GC arguments are strong, rational and polite and the TRAs have just copied and pasted the same shrill responses over and over. Lots of men posting in solidarity with women, LM described as an ‘embarrassment to the party’.
Mods have banned the use of the word T**f too. Eventually comments were turned off, but it’s very clear that the majority of people interacting were pro GC - the GC comments have multiple likes, the TRAs don’t. Links were shared to Ann Ruzylo’s Twitter, to Sonia Poulton, to articles reporting on the comments made by Joan McAlpine.

Multiple posters refuted that the dictionary definition of ‘woman’ was transphobic. It was pointed out that Marx and Engels would be called terves by today’s TRAs.

This would’ve been unimaginable 6 months ago - TWAW would’ve parroted and the mods wouod’ve been harangued into deleting dissent (and probably have deleted the entire thing, rather than locking it and leaving it for posterity). TRAs attempting to intimidate a black, lesbian, socialist, caught on camera, during a John McDonnell speech = a bit fucking much. Finally.

People are waking up.

I don't agree. There are plenty of Corbynites involved, to my knowledge.

It’s not actually the Corbynites leading the trans offensive though, as far as I can make out? The most militant TWAW-ers are the Liberals, Greens and various Blairite types. Then there's a big gap and you get the anarchists and luxury-communism nuts who wouldn't spit on the liberals if they were on fire, but are happy to join them in fighting “terfs”.

I wonder if it's because a lot of their support comes from young people? Students that sing "oh Jeremy Corbyn" are also the same group that are buying into gender identity.

Or maybe they just don't know a lot about it? I have a couple of friends who are big labour/momentum supporters and they weren't very aware of any of this, had never heard of Lily Madigan etc. It seemed unbelievable to me, they're both educated blokes and generally quite politically aware. It just wasn't on their radars. I imagine not least of all because they're men.

How is that people like Corbyn and McDonnell, who have spent their careers speaking out for sometimes extremely unpopular causes, cannot stand up to a bunch of shouty blue-haired children? I just don’t get it.

The Twitter thread is quite funny, someone trying to claim that the metadata says the photo was taken in 2017 when this wasn't such a hot topic (speak for yourself mate). And others pointing out that Posie would have to have had a time machine to post the bag back to 2017

I love how prominent the bag is.

It's absolutely clear that Corbyn is constantly asked to stand here and stand there and have a photo taken every time he is seen anywhere, and that he most definitely did not see what was written on that bag.

How could he, from that angle?

Great photo, though, glad someone took it.

Where is the outcry and the 'educate yourself' and the 'do better'? Am I missing something?

Hm, I remember one which didn't have quite the same look but I'm not sure what emotion it conveyed.

I think it was his ‘Why am I in this selfie with Bruce Dickinson from Iron Maiden?’ face.

He might as well throw his lot in with us. He's already said he backs the Nordic model which, as we all know, is as bad as saying you hope all sex workers die or something. If he thinks he can pass self-ID and swerve transphobia accusations, he's going to be disappointed when he finds himself up against a brick wall of sex-worker-phobia accusations 5 minutes later, and latest-crazy-demand-phobia 5 minutes after that. I'm guessing he doesn't actually want his entire political career dictated by shouty twitter morons, so he might as well drop them now while he still has a chance to win back his core voting demographic.

I'm assuming the usual suspects have kicked off about it and demanded Corbyn denounces witches... I mean women immediately?
Will be interesting to see what he does.

Regarding the photo - I suspect Corbyn makes the exact same photo face regardless of who is standing next to him.

Hm, I remember one which didn't have quite the same look but I'm not sure what emotion it conveyed.

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There have been various motions (both pro self ID and anti) going up through branch and constituency labour parties, along with various high level trade unionists expressing concern with self ID, and the pending court case re: AWS (I just can’t see how they can logically justify the existence of AWS AND include self-IDing transpeople. One argument will nullify the other. Restricting AWS to those with the legal status of ‘female’ or ending AWS entirely are the only ways out of the corner they are backed into).

Labour high ups will also be aware of what is happening with the SNP, as well as the changes in official guidelines for prisons.
Plus, Len McClusky signed the ‘transphobic’ letter published in the Morning Star.

The political landscape is quite different to how it was during conference season, a lot has happened in 6 months. Look at that Momentum video - it’s initial airing on Twitter was met with tons of praise, the second time, months later, lots of well thought out, politely phrased criticism (and some mocking).

Regarding the photo - I suspect Corbyn makes the exact same photo face regardless of who is standing next to him.
I wouldn’t read anything into it, personally, but I bet there are some livid TRAs because of it.

Luckily for us, they show themselves up when they are angry, and thus far, ‘Magic Granddad’ hasn’t felt the wrath.

I think we're all past Peak Corbyn by now, espcially the Young Pro-Remainers.

If he realised what was on her bag - and he'll deny it any minute now - then it was an extremely cynical move since he's been quite open about his misogyny and about women's place being under the bus thus far. Not quite that stupid thanks Jeremy, despite the pink brain.

I think it was on The Andrew Marr show last year, around March last year that Jeremy Corbyn said he would listen to women's groups.
He still hasn't, maybe this will remind him...