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Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

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Hithere12 · 05/05/2019 11:58

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

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lookatallthepeaches · 06/05/2019 08:15

"At least you admit transwomen are male."

This is hilarious ^

donquixotedelamancha · 06/05/2019 08:00

And I've worked in pubs and cafes, it's simply not true that male toilets are always worse.

Not always, but very, very often.

TowelNumber42 · 06/05/2019 07:58

DH wants a new category of toilets for men who are not disgusting. He hates the gents. He says he never uses a cubicle unless absolutely desperate, they are smeared in poo, often in the toilet paper holder too and the wee is everywhere. Vile. Women have no choice but to use a cubicle.

If toilets were fully enclosed cubicles, you'd start going to the loo as a pack. No way I'm letting my children (or myself) go alone into a space with men where they could be shoved into a cubicle and nobody would have any idea what was going on in there. Not just sexual predators but it's a bullies and drug dealers dream.

There are reasons cubicles have gaps. It reduces drug use in them. It reduces sexual activity in them. It reduces people having a nap in them. It means someone who passes out will be noticed.

lookatallthepeaches · 06/05/2019 07:54

My partner sits down to pee. And despises the toilet conditions he has to use at work and out, nobody would be more delighted than him to see urinals banned.

And I've worked in pubs and cafes, it's simply not true that male toilets are always worse.

lookatallthepeaches · 06/05/2019 07:52

Yes Jessica I get that, I'm familiar with that. But it's not actually relevant to what I am actually saying or the evidence I was looking for at the beginning of this discussion. If you cared to actually read my posts properly.

lookatallthepeaches · 06/05/2019 07:51

" if people like you hadn't advocated for abolishing the right of females to safety and privacy in single-sex facilities."

People like me?

Christ on a bike. l'm banned from virtually ever other corner of the Internet for being too much of a terf, I'm genuinely trying to discuss this and all I'm getting here is ridicule and jeering for not towing the terf line enough.

What I'm told elsewhere is that the risk can be mitigated by improving facilities that would eliminate that risk. I'm trying to discuss that. But both sides are a brick wall.

Illyria47 · 06/05/2019 02:30

I asked my partner this afternoon what was easier for men to pee in, he said urinals of course. I then went on to explain that toilets were becoming more and more unisex, to which he replied it was all around the world.. I then explained why women don't want to share toilets with men. Men pee and shit, nothing else. Women have periods, we need to change tampons or pads, sometimes a miscarriage starts and we need to know we can go the nearest female toilets for assistance. He wasn't really interested, I don't think most men are, the whole transgender issue goes over their heads because they are not materially affected. I agree with some posters that a lot of men wouldn't want to share toilets with women either but will they join the resistance to the whole stupid idea?
I fear not. Taking away urinals is illogical. It is very hard not to lose one's temper when talking about this to men, they just don't see how important it is to women.
And as other posters have said, what about girls using the toilets?
Fine if they are floor to ceiling with a wash basin and dryer, sanitary bin. Quite safe for women and girls, hopefully clean.
I used to like Eddy Izzard, he was so funny but not now.
I am sick to death of men telling women what we should accept. As many posters have said, Fuck off Eddy.

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 02:14

A cynic may read this and conclude that you just hate males, trans or otherwise.

At least you admit transwomen are male.

Unless you are referring to transmen, in which case nobody here has expressed opposition to them using women’s facilities.

Datun · 06/05/2019 00:47

My point is, according to the evidence you've provided here - it's not going to reduce risk.

Don't be silly.

"In mixed-sex facilities, whether that is via so called gender neutral facilities or via allowing self-identifying males into female-only facilities, there will be no risk inherent in a pervert's mere presence in the facility. They will have every right to be there and we can't protest against it."

Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men
Charley50 · 06/05/2019 00:43

Yep fuck off Eddie, it's not about you.

RedDogsBeg · 06/05/2019 00:35

Safety is not 100% guaranteed anywhere so that is a lame argument, the idea is to reduce risk and increase safety levels as much as possible.

There are fewer unisex toilets and changing rooms as a percentage yet they account for the highest percentage of incidents of sexual assault. There are recent figures on this, look them up. They reduce safety and increase risk.

However, for the millionth time - I do not want to share toilets or changing rooms with male bodied people because I DON'T WANT TO. If you think that makes me a man hater so be it, but all the men I know - family, friends, colleagues don't want to share toilets or changing rooms with female bodied people either so by your twisted logic they must hate women too, whereas that is not the case on either side.

There are myriad reasons for single sex spaces and none of them have anything to do with hatred.

CharlieParley · 06/05/2019 00:35

My point is, according to the evidence you've provided here - it's not going to reduce risk.

Spectacularly failing to understand what we're talking about. Changing all female-only facilities to mixed-sex will increase risk to females. That's precisely why we oppose it.

We are defending the existence of female-only provisions and campaigning against the abolition of single-sex facilities that females are granted the right to as per domestic law, our human rights as per the UN's CEDAW (that the UK is a signatory to) and as per the wishes of the majority of the group most adversely affected by changing to mixed-sex facilities, ie females.

What this means is that we are seeking to at worst maintain the risk at current levels, but aiming to at least eventually reduce it through a raft of measures, including teaching males to respect female boundaries, training females that they have the right to assert these boundaries around their own bodies against all males as well as raising public awareness, always hoping to one day eliminate risk altogether.

The current setup means that only the most determined perverts invade women's toilets, those whose perverted need is stronger than the social taboo against entering female-only facilities despite the huge risk of getting caught. In mixed-sex facilities, whether that is via so called gender neutral facilities or via allowing self-identifying males into female-only facilities, there will be no risk inherent in a pervert's mere presence in the facility. They will have every right to be there and we can't protest against it.

As for examples, I have a local one for you: 18 year-old pervert identifying as trans using female-only public toilets, first attempting to video a 12 year-old girl using the loo then progressing to assaulting a ten year-old girl in a different town, again in a female-only public toilet.

We will never know whether that pervert would have dared to enter a female-only toilet if people like you hadn't advocated for abolishing the right of females to safety and privacy in single-sex facilities.

But we do know, as the pervert was actually accompanied by a social worker on the second occasion, that had people like you not made female-only toilets unsafe by demanding access for males, said social worker would have accompanied said pervert to the male-only toilet in the second supermarket and said pervert would not have been able to follow that poor little girl into the women's toilets.

Of course, I expect you to dismiss this incident a la "one bad apple" etc. Which would lead me to ask, how many little girls must be terrorised and traumatised for life before people like you consider the price too high?

One girl is too much for me. What about you?

Btw, I grow and store fruit now and one bad apple definitely rots the whole tray. And the fact that this pervert hasn't been disowned unlike Karen White or Yanniv or the other predators, but instead got placed in a hostel with vulnerable women (because they weren't girls and so presumably considered fair game) with nothing but radio silence from the usual orgs clamouring to abolish women's sex-based rights is rather telling.

OhMsBeliever · 06/05/2019 00:19

It's not like cameras in toilets are a new thing. Chuck Berry? I read that as teen and have been (probably mostly irrationally) worried about it ever since.

I had my miscarriage in a work toilet. I'm still paranoid about being heard changing my pad during periods. I wipe and get blood on my hands, I flood and have to change my clothes. I spend a long time doing that.
I don't want Eddie in there asking me why I'm taking so long in the toilet!

Datun · 06/05/2019 00:12

cursing a few crops before I clean my teeth in my man hatey way.

I shall be letting the dog out male loathingly.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/05/2019 23:57

I got confused upthread

I couldnt figure out why eadie(vicky) wasn't allowed to be in the ladies loo Grin

Eddie you fool!!

lookatallthepeaches · 05/05/2019 23:57

?

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 23:56

Ah, we hate males now? Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

And on that delightful note, I shall toddle off to bed, cursing a few crops before I clean my teeth in my man hatey way.

Night all. (Eddie, stay the fuck out of women's toilets, there's a good chap)

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 05/05/2019 23:52

rubber

Apparently its not cameras in public toilets any,ore

Goalposts have changed...

Datun · 05/05/2019 23:52

All this demonstrates is that men can, and will, and do these shitty things.

Correct.

lookatallthepeaches · 05/05/2019 23:52

"And frankly, its a pretty fucking stupid argument to say "Men willperve on you anywhere, best just let them in to get on with it."

Fucksake."

That's not an argument I made. That is not what I said. It's a shame you feel you have to misrepresent what I'm saying and put words in my mouth.

lookatallthepeaches · 05/05/2019 23:50

My point is, according to the evidence you've provided here - it's not going to reduce risk.

A cynic may read this and conclude that you just hate males, trans or otherwise.

RubberTreePlant · 05/05/2019 23:48

Has anyone got any links to an instance where cameras have been planted in public toilets?

Google it yourself. It's not obscure information. There have been many cases.

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 23:44

Not about 'guarantees', chum, its about reducing risk.

And frankly, its a pretty fucking stupid argument to say "Men willperve on you anywhere, best just let them in to get on with it."

Fucksake.

ThePurportedDoctoress · 05/05/2019 23:43

But why do we even have to lower ourselves by explaining in intimate detail why we don’t want to share toilets with men?

We just don’t want to and we make up 51% of the population. We don’t need to explain ourselves or ask permission. We just need to constantly say no.

I agree 100%.
And stop calling yourself a lesbian, Eddie, you utter knob.