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Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

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Hithere12 · 05/05/2019 11:58

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFs7RfJZEIM

I can’t believe what I’ve just watched. Eddie Izzard is on Joe Rogan saying ALL bathrooms should be gender neutral and completely dismissed the concerns women have that Joe brought up. He dismissed it as “people always complain when there’s change”

The whole thing is so selfish and entitled.

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plattercake · 07/05/2019 02:46

Izzard is a nasty piece of work isn't he. I can't say more than that. He is an appalling human and such a clichéd man.

CharlieParley · 07/05/2019 01:46

Well, that Youtuber is quite amusing and cleverer than most TRAs. Also loved the turn of phrase employed when explaining why so many males who identify as trans are presenting hyperfeminine. Very useful in understanding that aspect.

However, most of their talking points are misdirecting viewers by not addressing the concerns supposedly being addressed or minimising them by acknowledging that the concerns are valid but we ought not to get worked up about it because either this Youtuber is a good trans who would never say/believe these things or they're just fads that'll blow over.

Never addresses the real concerns:

  • male violence and the oppression of women qua females resulting in structural inequalities that many provisions are designed to redress that are now under threat.

half-addresses others:

  • abolishing gender is such a huge ask there's no reason not to externalise/internalise opposite-sex stereotypes until that is achieved,
  • pretends that womanhood is based on a common experience that all women have (which doesn't exist therefore womanhood can be had by all) while ignoring the fact that what women qua females have in common is that only females can ever have certain experiences such as menstruation, falling pregnant, childbirth, various instances of oppression on the basis of our sex (FGM, child marriage, enforced pregnancy, demotion after baby break, worse health outcomes because the male body is taken as standard and so on) and therefore the only other people to ever experience these things are fellow females.

Around 99% of us menstruate for instance, 80% become mothers, 70% are sexually harassed - the group of women with whom we share many experiences really is huge and so many of us are experiencing similar things that womanhood is indeed a collective experience shaped by being female and all that comes with it but is not dependent on 100% of us sharing the exact same experience.

  • posits that all that underlies concerns is disgust for trans people because of a Germaine Greer quote and a few choice quotes taken from a reddit rant about AGPs
  • equates trans struggle with gay rights movement (which did not seek to remove rights from another oppressed group)
  • reduces female oppression to wolfwhistling and being talked over by men and such like to claim that males who identify as trans experience the same misogyny.
  • claims that feminists only ever target males who identify as trans for presenting hyperfeminine but have nothing to say about the Kardashians. Obviously has never actually frequented any feminist space then.
  • misunderstands socialisation completely to claim that males who transition in adulthood are thereafter experiencing female socialisation even if they've been socialised male beforehand (except Caitlyn Jenner. I am starting to think they all seem to despise CJ for being so stereotypically AGP).
  • thinks not being misgendered offline means males who identify as trans pass. Forgets that most people but especially women will not make any remarks even when we do clock a male - I mean why should we do that in a petrol station for instance?!

And that while clocking a male is a survival skill for females, no matter how they present, the same isn't true for males which is why males are not as good at clocking someone presenting hyperfeminine as male when they've made a serious effort to pass.

Finally, I cannot work out whether this person is disingenuous or really doesn't understand enough feminist theory and the reality of female oppression to think this video actually counters TERF concerns but is very very free with not only using the term but also defending its use as a slur as justified by likening gender critical people to racists.

It takes real effort to analyse this video though because it is superficially plausible and the misdirection works well, especially if you're not actually familiar with feminist thought.

The most important takeaway is that this Youtuber doesn't address and would not agree that it isn't the mere existence of males who identify as trans that we consider a threat to us, it's the ongoing campaign to abolish women's sex-based rights by allowing males to claim membership of our sex group and denying sex - one of the three most important axes of structural oppression alongside race and class - as the basis of female oppression by males.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:28

Perhaps you could ask him. Tell him enquiring minds would like to know.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:27

I wonder if your mate would consider that YouTuber as a sexual partner or if, like other men he considers TWAW "except for relationship purposes" in the memorable words of one wokebloke.

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 21:09

I know! This is his research :s

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/05/2019 21:07

I could have done without that, Whisky2014. Bizarro bollocks. What a fruitloop.

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 20:56

Uft, friend replied with this...

m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pTPuoGjQsI&feature=youtu.be

Lamaha · 06/05/2019 20:53

Also asking each other for tampons and pads and helping each other to insert tampons.

AdaColeman · 06/05/2019 20:36

They have a fantasy about what we all do in the bogs.

The journalist doing a diary of their transition at present, longs to gossip about handbags in the queue, hoping we will say how lovely theirs is! Hmm
They don't realise that we will be giving each other the side eyes and mouthing "fake". And it won't only be their handbag we are talking about.

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 20:30

And suddenly losing the ability to do up or undo our own bras...

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/05/2019 20:26

While eating bananas.

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 20:19

And rub soap on eachothers bodies in the shower whilst biting our lips and looking the others seductively in the eye Hmm

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/05/2019 20:17

The shit and chat thing is what they think we do.. like it's some.giant leabian fest where we get naked talk and prance about and feel up each others boobs.

Are these the same men who think we have pillow fights in our underwear first chance we get?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/05/2019 19:33

Oooh we still make that ghostbusters joke with the boys!!!

They look at us as if we've gone mad

Must force them to watch ghost busters again

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 19:26

If anything men talk even less in the loos than they used to.

When smoking was still allowed they could play piss-hockey with cigarette ends in the urinals.

Back in the Eighties they could make Ghostbusters jokes about crossing the beams.

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 19:21

It speaks volumes that men go to public loos for a shit and a chat

Men don’t even make eye contact in the loo. They don’t acknowledge each other’s existence.

Two best mates might take a piss alongside each other, wash their hands together, and only when they pass through the exit one will say, ‘Oh, there you are. We thought you’d got lost.’

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 06/05/2019 19:20

I agree with sarah

as i said upthread dh said men dont talk at the urinal let alone when having a poo

AlwaysComingHome · 06/05/2019 19:17

friend just replied "I'm all for gender neutral toilets".

Post that picture of JY in the bathroom.

Keep posting it until people get the fucking message.

nicenewdusters · 06/05/2019 19:15

Eddie Izzard shits and chats.

Eddie Izzard chats shit.

Oh, both seem to make sense Grin

SarahTancredi · 06/05/2019 19:08

It speaks volumes that men go to public loos for a shit and a chat
No they really dont.

Theres a code in the mens by all accounts from dp.

The shit and chat thing is what they think we do.. like it's some.giant leabian fest where we get naked talk and prance about and feel up each others boobs.

Couldn't ge further from the truth

ScottishDoll · 06/05/2019 18:57

Have mixed facilities by all means, formerly the gents. Leave the ladies loos alone.

ScottishDoll · 06/05/2019 18:56

Actually women use loos with the expectation of safe private CLEAN space, and why should we have to justify any of that?

ScottishDoll · 06/05/2019 18:54

It speaks volumes that men go to public loos for a shit and a chat.

That's their normal.

When women tend to wait til they get home for a shit and use public loos for a quick wee, deal with menstruation, sort themselves/kids out, escape awkward situations, clean/dry clothes after accidents, etc etc etc.

So men use loos for manspreading.

Women use loos for a safe private space.

Lamaha · 06/05/2019 18:50

Why not just have a few separate loos or changing rooms for those who are trans and a label them as unisex?

They won't accept this. It's othering.
The whole point is that they get to share with the cunty type of woman. It's validating.

Whisky2014 · 06/05/2019 18:33

In my initial post I mention washing out moon cups. I didn't even mention girls being in with men.
But on his reply I replied "but how to mitigate the risks?" And he hasn't replied.
Funny how men just don't see it.

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