Eddy Izzard says women should be forced to share bathrooms with men

Totally idiotic. I hate the idea of girls at school having to share with boys with a passion. The notion that young girls starting periods etc would have to have boys around them in toilets is abhorrent to me. His statement about "giving you figures" was utter nonsense too. What figures Eddie? Generalised statements "it has stopped bullying" is neither figures nor fact.

Having said that, I would have no issue with individual toilets (with a sink in each one) that can be used by anyone.

Castrati did not take oestrogen, but they had a very particular body shape that gave the beautiful sound. The long bones grow longer with castration, so they were extremely tall, with a long, deep ribcage . Susie Green’s child had to be given yet more drugs to halt growth, as growing extremely tall.
I have been watching a BBC doc from a few years ago on the Castrati, where they attempt to synthesise that lost sound. Horrifying to think we may hear that voice again, with boys chemically castrated at nine or ten.

even the very prominent media obsessed TRA's who present in a very stereotypically 'feminine' way and are often described as 'passing' are obviously male.
The tiniest of micro expressions distinguishes male from female.

Castrati didn’t take oestrogen though

Castrati didn’t look female. (Says she thinking aloud).

I agree with all of the above. I just wonder whether the same will be true if/when the present cohort of young trans children, who are put on puberty blockers, followed by cross-sex hormones, actually reach adulthood. Will a transwoman who has not been through male puberty truly pass in all normal circumstances?

And definitely the gait. Must be the pelvis.

Yes - what was I thinking - even with surgery. Is it bone structure, poise, expression, mannerism?

Not sure but the whole ‘pass’ thing is a red herring because - here’s the thing about women - we pretend not to notice and lie so that we don’t hurt someone’s feelings. This is something they just don’t ‘get’.

Males without and facial surgery done - and I’ll put my neck out here - never pass. Is it the skin maybe?

Uncanny Valley, yes.

DH in his early twenties was boyish and pretty- clear skin, pink cheeks and long lashes, long hair. I once persuaded him to let me put make up on him out of curiosity, but as dodo says above, in fact it accentuated everything masculine in his face, threw his maleness into relief. He suddenly looked much more manly, less boyish. It was amusing and interesting to see how much difference it made.
Women need to be able to recognise men in order to improve their survival chances.

You have to distinguish between old style transexual and modern transactivist, which the activists don't want you to do.

How? Some of the activists who have got us into this mess are "old style transsexuals". If you mean surgery, hormones etc., it's not a requirement for gender reassignment.

You have to distinguish between old style transexual and modern transactivist, which the activists don't want you to do.

Important thread discussing history of transactivism, AngryAttackKittens wrote:
"I'm going to point every "but the nice, harmless old school transsexuals whose movement has been unfairly appropriated by the nasty transgender people" person to this thread from now on.

All the same elements we're seeing now were there in that old BBC roundtable from the 70s with the 4 transwomen, the politician, and the doctor. None of this is new."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Jesus, hes really pitiful in that interview. Has he given any thought whatsoever to any of this? Perfect example of having a mind so open that your brain falls out

So why did people complain when there was a 'change' in Brunei about homosexuality? Same logic applies, no Eddy?

Izzard is something of an irritating twat.
I wouldn't be surprised if his disastrous appearance just on question time just before the referendum convinced fence sitters to get their arses down to the polling booth and vote yes, in numbers big enough to tip the balance of the vote.

Though maybe that IS the Uncanny Valley effect? Confused myself now!

I don't think it's just the Uncanny Valley effect. I think it's also that dressing to fit a female stereotype highlights the differences between male and female, and throws them into relief.

So, India Wotsit looks like a gentle-featured, feminine man on earlier photos, but a very masculine and hard-featured 'woman' on current ones; LM looks exceptionally stringy for a girl; and let's not talk about Heather Peto.

Meanwhile, even slim girls in boy-style school uniform look like they suddenly have huge hips, because you aren't expecting that curve there; and my misguided white friend who likes to wear saris looks ashy-pale with a hint of grey, rather than her usual English beige.

You have to distinguish between old style transexual and modern transactivist, which the activists don't want you to do.

I doubt that there's much to distinguish, to be honest.

A male person in a female space is still ignoring women's boundaries regardless of the motivation.

A man claiming to be a lesbian and insisting he should be able to have sex with lesbians
This is the quintessential wolf in sheep's clothing

Yes. Male people can be alarming enough in unexpected places. If dressed in what we understand to be a feminine manner and in a female space, our subconscious will start alerting us to a situation where someone is attempting to deceive us. Simple as that, really.

Yes. I was in a ladies loo at the weekend where two workmen were fixing something. I was completely fine with it because I knew why they were there.

But if they’d been dressed to comply with feminine stereotypes? Completely different kettle of fish