Maya Forstater

There was a link to the crowdfunder in the thread, Hairy, but MN could have just deleted the link. I don't see why the whole thread had to come down. If women are losing their jobs just for discussing changes to the law, where will that lead?

TL:DR: Bloody well done Maya, and thank you.

I've had to hit the chocolate after reading that email. Still at least we now have written confirmation that a man's feelings really are viewed as more important than material reality. So there's that.

However I wonder which group actually did the reporting and who have most to lose from women acting together in solidarity

Looking at the email from MNHQ, it shows just how panicked that group are becoming, Angryresister. That anger and full on attack shows just how right we are and how they know we will continue this good fight. Courages calls to courage.

Thank you for all your reports about that post - we've now deleted the entire thread.

This came upon my Facebook feed just now and I thought it was quite apposite.

When someone holding perfectly rational, normal, widely held views that:

• It is not possible to change sex,

• That it is a major concern that women's rights will have to be deleted to provide men with the opportunity to live their 'authentic self' without any boundaries

• There is something very morally and ethically wrong with forcing compelled speech, compelled acting out of a belief you do not hold with punishment for those failing to conform

• That people refusing to act out this belief lose their entitlement to jobs, to safety, to freedom from threat and violence, to services and to equal recourse to law:

• That when a 'belief' has to be compelled under threat of and demonstration of punishment, secretive changes behind closed doors to avoid the electorate knowing, policy and law brought in by stealth, children taught that their parents are wrong (see: 'raised with non conforming LGBT beliefs' as recently stated) and an electorate massively not naturally holding and driving this change of belief and culture (see: gay marriage)

…...something has gone massively wrong. And people need to look at the bloody history books and start considering, if they don't care about basic right and wrong, or human and civil rights, and equality, and women - what they personally stand to lose at the ballot box when the electorate finally see this in plain sight.

Oh this is just so ridiculous

Obviously i back Maya

It must be very frustrating for the professional genderists whose Patreon accounts raise £2.50 over weeks to see a woman fighting for women's rights raise thousands within a couple of hours.

Unbelievable. What about women finding it distressing to be told that they are no longer entitled to their own sex classification? What about it being exclusionary to remove women from their jobs because they have a point of view?

Maya I back you wholeheartedly. I’ll pursue the links away from this thread to offer further support.

Here is Maya’s twitter: mobile.twitter.com/MForstater

Datun, me too.

I was getting stick in that thread for not agreeing with the general opinion, it feels a bit depressing 😣 There is no law that saya all women have to see things in exactly the same way, and we have to be able to say what we think without being accused of plopping. That's like being accused of transphobia for not conforming to the TWAW belief.

"In an email, a CGD manager said: “You stated that a man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material reality. A lot of people would find that offensive and exclusionary.”

It's pretty offensive and exclusionary to suggest that the reality of being a woman can be reduced to a feeling in a man's head.

Delurking to add support for Maya. This is such an important case.

So if there is a clash of beliefs, the one that isn't aligned with material fact should be prioritised, and the holder of the other one should be punished.....?

The feelings of the one with the belief that isn't based on material reality should be protected, while the feelings of the person who believes that facts matter can be hurt with impunity.....?

I never, ever, thought I would be writing that in the 21st century.

It's reminiscent of the Inquisition.

Good luck Maya. I’ve donated as well. It’s heartening to see how quickly it’s reached 10k in just over an hour.

I’m not sure why the original thread couldn’t stay, I don’t think it had a link to the crowd funder just the two articles.

Can you imagine an employer taking action over someone stating that a a belief in God has no basis in material reality?

Atheism is a good analogy to this.

Genderism is belief system like a religion, so a non-believer in this belief system is a sort of gender atheist. So if atheism has protection under the EA, as the right not to believe in god, someone who doesn't believe in genderism should also be protected.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/tribunal-rules-councillor-s-scottish-independence-view-is-philosophical-belief-1-4887251/amp

Thank you for everything you have done and are doing for women and girls, Maya. From Let Toys Be Toys, to speaking up on the hell hole of a site that is Twitter, to this important case.

I wish you all the success.

Oldcrone also one about Scottish nationalism

I sincerely wish you luck maya

This is just ridiculous. Nothing you said wasnt true.

I understand the MN rules about crowd funding. However I wonder which group actually did the reporting and who have most to lose from women acting together in solidarity. The thread could have stayed up with the link deleted. Donated. It is important to show that we can do this. Nobody is pressurising anybody and it lifts my spirits to know it can happen.

I’m not sure I had understood about what happens if your belief is actually arguably a fact...

Someone mentioned that there had been a case about environmentalism, based on science rather than simply a belief, but I haven't managed to find anything about it yet. Does anyone have a link to that case?

That quote from the letter was astonishing. What about a woman’s feelings when we are being told that we are not a biological reality, but simply a thought in a man’s head. Is that not offensive and exclusionary?

Maya thinks the complaints came from Washington (they have an office there).

Transactivists will attack anyone and try to shut down any discussion.

Even people whose actual job it is to think independently and analyse neutrally in order to advise government.

Can you imagine an employer taking action over someone stating that a a belief in God has no basis in material reality?

Because a lot of people say that there is no God.

Should we stop them saying that?