Maya Forstater

This was during a public consultation, that the government invited the public to discuss!

I was up to seventeen quid for a naysayer contribution to that-which-shall-not-be-named, in case anybody else forgot to keep count!

Thank you Lang. I was going to ask you for change of a £20, but I dare say I’ll not need to break it.

It was a nonsensical example. A more accurate comparison would be an NHS worker being sacked for saying they don't belief in God, or that the earth is flat.

I might go for a tenner per deleted thread for something completely in my head and nothing to do with anything anywhere elsewhere on the net at all.

Bluestitch

That was an extreme example. When your job is contributing opinion you need to think carefully about anything you put in the public domain under your own name

I'm currently doubled up in pain feeling like someone's twisting a knife in my uterus. I will never agree to pretend that men can magically turn into women no matter how tinkly their laugh or dainty their walk or pretty their dress. They can never understand what it truly means to be a woman.

I stand with Maya.

As gender is a belief that one is a specific gender that mau or may not match reality, then I would say Maya is right to tackle it from that angle. In law you are entitled to belief or to not believe, I am very much a gender atheist, I believe gender is based on ridiculous stereotypes that I and many others simply do not conform to. I do not and cannot ever imagine belief ing that a man can be a woman and vice versa, it is simply not possible to change sex.

MNHQ why not just delete the posts relating to the crowd finder and let the rest stand?

Because just about every post on that thread was about raising the crowdfunding profile. Not very subtly either. I suspect thos one will go poof now too

Did Maya tweet 'The CGD are a crock of shit' Greeneggs? I missed that part of the story!

It can stand 'for now'?

God. Woman seeks her right to freedom from discrimination under British law.

Somehow that's become so shocking it may have to be deleted.

What the hell happened to this country?!

or encouragement towards the crowdfunding page on this thread, it can stand for now.

What do you class as encouragement towards, MNHQ? That’s a very broad umbrella. Is it simply discussing how much has been raised, talking about the amount, the fact that she has one, the fact that we have individually donated? I’m not very good at being subtle, so I don’t want to get it wrong and end up accidentally bringing this page down.

What happens if ploppers try to sabotage this page by deliberately going against your rules? How can you tell the difference?

Going to report my own comment to bring to your attention.

I get why the post was deleted. If you post within a community to post to that communities rule.

I have friends who work withing the NHS. They post lots of NHS supporting posts. If they suddenly started posting " the NHS is wasteful and a crock of shit type posts" i cant imagine their employment would look too fondly on it.

With freedom of speech comes responsibility.

Its a shame Maya dudnt think how her public posting in her own name might impact on her work.

So long as there is no mention of crowdfunding or encouragement towards the crowdfunding page on this thread, it can stand for now.

Crowdfunding is mentioned all the time on MN, I have never seen a Jean Hatchet link removed. I understand that the recipient shouldn’t promote or that a thread linking is not allowed, but mere mentioning is completely heavy handed. Added to that that anyone can report posts, including those you know troll the feminism boards, and I’m very disappointed at @MNHQ for allowing this sort of coercive control.

MNHQ why not just delete the posts relating to the crowd finder and let the rest stand? This is now being covered by The Times after all. The story is very much out in the public domain.

Exactly, OldCrone! Who decided one set of beliefs should have priority over another, and on whose say so?

who have most to lose from women acting together in solidarity

Second rage this week when women dare to organise to support another woman accessing the law, thereby lessening the financial punishment the TRA lobby hope will be inflicted.

It's rather like rage at passing a woman a snorkel as she's strapped onto the ducking stool.

I was up to seventeen quid for a naysayer contribution to that-which-shall-not-be-named, in case anybody else forgot to keep count!

The feelings of the one with the belief that isn't based on material reality should be protected, while the feelings of the person who believes that facts matter can be hurt with impunity.....?

I really hope that isn't how the EA is being used. People have the right to believe in God. People also have the right to say there is no god.

People have the right to believe that they can change sex (pure fantasy, but they have the right to hold that belief). People also have the right to say that people can't change sex (truth, and scientific fact).

Thank you for all your reports about that post - we've now deleted the entire thread

Still pisses me off that mumsnet invited non members/twitter people to complain

Reminds me of our old next door neighbour who complained to FIL if we didnt mow our lawn...twat

I know TheBullshitGoesOn, £2.50 verses £12320. I would almost feel sorry for them. Not really. I’m not a fantasist.

It's pretty offensive and exclusionary to suggest that the reality of being a woman can be reduced to a feeling in a man's head.

Too bloody right.

Tell me: if subjective internal feelings are prioritised over material reality, what challenge does this provide to extant power structures? No challenge. Because the subjective feelings of anyone who already has control of power structures will be privileged. And so it came to pass: the subjective inner feelings of heterosexual, mostly white, mostly class-privileged males are taking precedence over the hundred year struggle for women's rights.

Genderism is a regressive, power-protecting, sexist, libertarian ideology.

Maya's case illustrates this perfectly.

Yeah I’m not impressed the entire thread was removed by MNHQ.

Jesus, so many posts about the thread. I do wonder why?

Donated.

This is utterly fucking ridiculous, that women are not allowed to exist as a separate entity to men? Fuck that shit.

My flabber is well and truly gasted.

Good luck, I can’t believe this is going to court though. Such utter nonsense.

I'd love to donate but funds are a little tight this month - shitty maternity pay