Maya Forstater

Men and women have been doing it for thousands of years.

Not sure if you missed it but there was a select committee this very week on acknowledging the disproportionate way in which women are both abused and silenced in online discussion.

The Monitors are Watching.......

'The Monitors'.... please. A bunch of creepy individuals choose to stalk this board constantly, trying to coercively control women by exploiting both the posting guidelines and pressure on HQ to the nth degree.

It's sad, it's revolting, it's deeply misogynistic and it's symptomatic of why this whole situation has gone so very wrong. The last thing stalking misogynists need is titles that smooth over the reality of their choices.

I suggested to you on the other thread just before it was deleted that you should read up on some history, and see where we end up if freedom of speech is denied.

What like the American Revolution where most of the influential men were publishing stuff under pseudonyms because they didnt want what they posted to come and bite them in the butt....

Women need to hide their identities in order to partake in a democratic process without repercussions

Men and women have been doing it for thousands of years. Freedom of speech it balanced by your responsibility for what ypu put out there

If you are high profile and employed you need to be careful posting opinions that are contrary to your employer

This was a democratic process and an invited discussion. Should an employer be allowed to sack someone for publicly posting that they voted Brexit, if they disagree?

Anyone disses santa on mumsnet and im gonna report the shit out of them

Too right. How dare they not believe that a fat man in a suit can’t squeeze down a chimney. Actually, any man that identifies as Santa should be permitted into your child’s bedroom. Come to think of it, how do they know Santa was a man? We could have been misgendering Santa for all these centuries! Oh the inhumanity of it all! Poor Santa. 😭

goes of to lie down

Rufus-
That’s fair 😄

Could I be fired if I denied the existence of God and pointed out to a Christian co-worker that their beliefs were nonsense

Just to point out: do a quick search on the many threads where Christian MNetters are ridiculed with comments like 'sky fairies' and 'invisible friend' free of all moderation. Try reporting one, and HQ will be pleased to tell you about robust discussion being a pillar of MN.

A closer example would be an NHS doctor posting they supported Charlie Guard's parents.

So would they have been fired just for saying this? Should they have been fired just for saying this, in your opinion?

It made sense to me sucks

Not that thats a good thing...or indeed that your post made sense now i think about it

It really would be better if everyone just steered clear of mentioning the crowdfunder at all if we're honest, if you want to preserve the thread.

WTAF?

'Could I be fired if I denied the existence of God and pointed out to a Christian co-worker that their beliefs were nonsense. I get that would probably be me being a dick, but that shouldn’t be a sackable offence.'

Thing is, this is worse than that - it isn't about anything Maya did or said in the office, or to a colleague. It's about calm, thoughtful, reasoned tweets made on her own social media in her own time.
It would be like being fired for saying in general, in your own time, that you don't believe in God, rather than to a Christian coworker.

Women need to hide their identities in order to partake in a democratic process without repercussions. Is this really your position?

Seems to be doesn’t it? Absurd.

@MNHQ I’m very frustrated at your position. Not even mentioning crowdfunding is not a rule, you allow it all the time. You are censoring depending how many non-members get upset. This is utterly insane.

Oops. That comment of mine made little sense. 😳

In indeed it was a nonsense example. A closer example would be an NHS doctor posting they supported Charlie Guard's parents. A belief in the earth being flat or otherwise isnt really a detriment to the NHS.

The example doesn't matter a huge amount. You could have picked goodness knows how many examples of various levels of nonsense, including your own. If you are high profile and employed you need to be careful posting opinions that are contrary to your employer

delerium

Put it this way

Anyone disses santa on mumsnet and im gonna report the shit out of them

The Monitors are Watching.......

I just got this response, in response to my question for clarification, from MNHQ, if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the report and for asking the question. We won't allow any links to the crowdfunder or any specific posts asking people to go to it. We will delete any posts breaking TGs in this way. It really would be better if everyone just steered clear of mentioning the crowdfunder at all if we're honest, if you want to preserve the thread.

Green you appear to be saying that if women want to discuss sex based oppression, biological reality and the potential impact of proposed law changes about which the government have invited discussion, they should have to do so anonymously. And if they don't, then they only have themselves to blame if they are penalised to the extent of losing their job. Women need to hide their identities in order to partake in a democratic process without repercussions. Is this really your position?

Just wanted to post again in support again seeing as the other thread has disappeared, which is deeply disappointing - I mean delete the links by all means but we’re not aloud to mention crowdfunding??? That’s ridiculous. Silencing women.

Anyway. I sent Maya 10 supports, and am very impressed that the target of 10,000 supports was smashed in less than 90 minutes. The level of support this has is worth talking about, as well as the details of the case itself.

GreenEggs

I suggested to you on the other thread just before it was deleted that you should read up on some history, and see where we end up if freedom of speech is denied.

I’m sorry to derail (briefly) but if it is decided a belief is more important than reality and jobs can be lost over stating disagreement (I’m not feeling too confident about the justice system at the moment) how far could this be extended? Could I be fired if I denied the existence of God and pointed out to a Christian co-worker that their beliefs were nonsense. I get that would probably be me being a dick, but that shouldn’t be a sackable offence.

Will ask for this to be deleted if anyone thinks this is not appropriate here.

I spoke too soon LangCleg. At this rate I’ll not even bother asking for change for a £50. 😁 I’m loving this game, even though taking up golf might turn out to be less expensive, at this rate!

So long as there is no mention of crowdfunding or encouragement towards the crowdfunding page on this thread, it can stand for now.

It can stand for now!!! WTF? So long as there is no mention of crowdfunding it can stand is what you meant surely? It's a thread about a woman's rights on FWR.

I agree, that there are plenty of other threads where crowdfunders are mentioned, that do not get pulled. Jean Hatchet's is one, but there have been others.

I'm guessing the crucial difference is that nobody has aggressively bombarded MNHQ with threats for those, to the point where they feel glad of an excuse to remove the thread.

MNHQ please retain your backbone.