Maya Forstater

This is such an important case and Maya is a brave woman.

I thought capitalism wasn't the road to serfdom. Bloody international companies acting like they own the bodies and souls of their employees. Governments legislating to curb freedom of speech. We are seriously on the edge of a new dark age. Respect for Maya.

But I wouldn’t expect them to get the sack for that

Yep. Green's argument might hold some weight if it was policy that no public opinions about changes in law/ policy were allowed. But we all know that this happened because Maya dared to have the 'wrong' opinion about a policy. Of course if Green can point me to anywhere that anybody has lost their job for saying TWAW and therefore being exclusive of GC women I will immediately apologise.

Well here is more evidence that we are only allowed opinions if they are the 'approved' ones.

Behind you Maya. And all the way to the top. You weren't fired for having a public opinion but because some didn't think that it was acceptable for you to hold and share that opinion.

Yeah they would probably get a stonewall inclusivity badge. Despite the fact I find that view offensive to me as a woman

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Quite Blue. I wouldn’t expect someone to get the sack for saying TWAW. Even though the vast majority of the population would disagree and I find it offensive. It is perfectly ok for people to hold a view others find offensive.

It isn't controversial to say humans don't change sex. It certainly isn't controversial to state the fact that women are a biological reality and not defined by a feeling in a man's head of what we should be and how we should think. This is all just highlighting the repressive, woman-hating nature of the TRA movement. I really hope Maya's employers are held to account for their treatment of her, treatment that reflects their contempt for all women.

Don't worry Datun, I know x

There's not a chance Maya would have been sacked if she'd publicly reached a different conclusion about GRA reform.

Freedom of speech it balanced by your responsibility for what ypu put out there

So does this apply during a government consultation about the Specific topic in question? Green you are basically telling women that it is their own fault if they get the sack for discussing their views, when invited to do so by government, in a democracy, over a point of law.

You appear to have a very disturbing and rather limited approach to Free Speech.

Plus, if this doesn't go the way it should, Maya can appeal. And appeal. And appeal.

Let this go right the way up the food chain as high as possible, so the entire planet gets to hear what's at stake.

And I control all the budget in my household of 4.

Yeah twitter was just called to account for the way they treat women

Ffs. Why do we hav3 to hid3 when violent tweets stay up that endorse violence against women

With you maya 💪💪

I support Maya. She has done nothing wrong. She has done nothing irresponsible. I am pleased to see so much support for her. I think she has a strong case and the outcome will affect all our rights.

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I was agreeing with you there. Me getting frustrated was over green.

Very different from discussing the ideas in abstract, which was what Maya was doing.

Which the government had invited women everywhere to do. They were expecting speculation over the implications of the GRA. They're telling the electorate to talk about it for fuck's sake.

GreenEggs
Do you think it's a positive thing for people to feel they have to hide behind pseudonyms? Why do you think this? Why are you against freedom of speech? Do you think we would be better off under a dictatorship where freedom of speech was not allowed?

Freedom of speech it balanced by your responsibility for what ypu put out there

During a public consultation. Greeneggs can I ask- do you think Maya would have lost her job if she had concluded that transwomen were women and posted such?

Men and women have been doing it for thousands of years. Freedom of speech it balanced by your responsibility for what ypu put out there

Which is why Maya is going to court. She stands by what she says, as do millions of other women.

If maintaining the category of women, and refuting that magic words can make you change sex, is being 'responsible for what you say', then let's shout it from the rooftops.

'A closer example would be an NHS doctor posting they supported Charlie Guard's parents.'

That's a specific case involving particular individuals in a conflicted relationship with the organisation in question. Very different from discussing the ideas in abstract, which was what Maya was doing.

Always good to remember that women control about 80% of UK household spending.

A very important fact. Entirely relevant too.

Reads comments from GreenEggsHamandChips goes off to empty savings jar.

For crying out loud Green, I’m supposed to be saving for a house makeover. Give me a break.

Women need to hide their identities in order to partake in a democratic process without repercussions. Is this really your position?

It would seem so. During the period of a government consultation on this specific topic.

Amazing, really, the reaches people will go to to prevent discussion of women's rights and social power dynamics, isn't it?

Always good to remember that women control about 80% of UK household spending. Can't think quite why that may be germane here, but it's certainly worth emphasising.

80%. That's eighty percent.