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Maya Forstater

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DianeBrewster · 05/05/2019 09:40

MN have deleted the thread started by Maya - who lost her job for speaking up for women- because it talks about her crowdfunding for legal costs

Here is today's times article on the case https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tax-expert-fired-for-saying-trans-women-aren-t-women-tpqgnm9vj?shareToken=3f12f5cae61c02fd41040eb816fd37b4&wgu=2705255426441557045162977940f0d76fa1&wgexpiry=1564821162&utmmsource=planit&utmmedium=affiliate&utmm_content=22278

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sausagess · 05/05/2019 11:50

Maya well done for being so brave. Please please don't settle out of court. I'm sure lots will contribute again if more is needed.

PencilsInSpace · 05/05/2019 11:49

I see, MrsBertBibby. Yes, that could be awkward for them.

Datun · 05/05/2019 11:48

Nephilim lets just play the game. Good little girls or not.

Indeed. Tedious, irritating and sexist pressure from TRAs will not stop this conversation.

MrsBertBibby · 05/05/2019 11:47

What would need explaining to funders exactly?

Why she wasn't there to do the work.

happyon · 05/05/2019 11:46

Thank you Maya. Proud to support you here and elsewhere.

HumberElla · 05/05/2019 11:42

Nephilim lets just play the game. Good little girls or not.

WalpurgisNight · 05/05/2019 11:41

I've been thinking for a long time that development might be the next target for TRAs, because women's rights are such a huge part of the global development agenda, so it's disappointing to see that a development org has been taken over by woke think.

It will be no less than a global disaster if it takes over the whole sector, because it will mean you won't be able to research, develop policy on or implement any measures that are targeted at improving women's lives globally.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 05/05/2019 11:37

"In an email, a CGD manager said: “You stated that a man’s internal feeling that he is a woman has no basis in material reality. A lot of people would find that offensive and exclusionary.”

How far are we willing to roll back women's rights so not to offend transpeople?

BoreOfWhabylon · 05/05/2019 11:35

Please please can we NOT mention the fundraiser. It’s so important this thread is left alone.

This.

PencilsInSpace · 05/05/2019 11:34

Maya was in fact a named participatory in a successful grant application, she said, so that may need explaining to the funders

What would need explaining to funders exactly?

Nephilim1964 · 05/05/2019 11:33

Chances are, they'll just find another reason to remove it anyway HumberElla

Let's all walk on eggshells like good little girls shall we?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/05/2019 11:31

Maya has to win. God help us all if she doesn't. I support her.

My DGM was 22 when votes for women came in. When I was at school, boys applying to Oxbridge to read English had to take an exam on either Shakespeare or Chaucer. Girls had to take both. And I remember the Equal Pay Act coming in back in 1970.

Women have had even notional equality for such a very, very short time. Less than 50 years. And now the fuckers want to steal our spaces and even our name.

In a rough quote from Germaine Greer, most women have no idea how many men hate them.

MrsBertBibby · 05/05/2019 11:28

CGB will be funded by grants and research funding from governments, companies, and foundations, much like most academic research.

Maya was in fact a named participatory in a successful grant application, she said, so that may need explaining to the funders

RubyViolet · 05/05/2019 11:27

This will keep happening if our employers can tell us what to think against all scientific reality.
Brave Maya , l stand with you.

HumberElla · 05/05/2019 11:27

Please please can we NOT mention the fundraiser. It’s so important this thread is left alone.

Nephilim1964 · 05/05/2019 11:26

Probably should've used letters instead of numbers....

More than seventeen thousand and five hundred pounds so far Wink

JessicaWakefieldSV · 05/05/2019 11:22

Careful, we’re not allowed to mention any fundraising even! Confused

Nephilim1964 · 05/05/2019 11:21

More than £17,500 raised so far. Women are angry AF. Just sayin'....

JessicaWakefieldSV · 05/05/2019 11:21

SpartacusAutisticusAHF yes but it has to be in the charities section, not the feminism boards.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 05/05/2019 11:20

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FiredMaya · 05/05/2019 11:20

Thanks all! I missed most of the last thread because I've been otherwise engaged! But I did see there were discussions on there about the case and the legal issues and wider implications for others.

I've asked MN if they can have a look at removing any excessive fundraising linkage and reinstate the thread.

(granted its probably my fault for starting this thing on a bank holiday Sunday when whatever mod pulled the short straw to be working is on their own and faced with a barrage of reporters)

sausagess · 05/05/2019 11:20

Thanks for starting this thread. I didn't see the other one and have now found the crowdfunding page elsewhere and donated.
It's great to watch the £s going up and up and up!

Cwenthryth · 05/05/2019 11:17

I am really disgusted that CGD seem totally happy to throw 50% of the human race under the bus and think looking at their sources of funding might be useful.

Very good point. How is CGD funded?

OccasionalKite · 05/05/2019 11:15

Have added my support - for Maya and for all who are standing firm against those who are desperately seeking to silence women.

Mamello · 05/05/2019 11:09

I think we should bear in mind also what Maya's job actually was. She is very well respected with regard to her work/research on international development, tax and corruption. As part of this she looks at the way women in many countries are adversely affected by fiscal policies and male dominated economic systems. Of course she has to have an opinion as to how women are defined and one that recognises that their biological function is the basis discriminating against them. I am really disgusted that CGD seem totally happy to throw 50% of the human race under the bus and think looking at their sources of funding might be useful.